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Mercurial wrote:@Xiaohaha and @MattUK can either of you commnent on the difficulty of MAT157y and MAT240 + 247 , Im a little bit worried my school isn't preparing me well enough, what would you recommend would be good preparation for both courses, I already know a bit of basic math proofs such as induction etc and im reading a couple math books such as courant's What is Mathematics(might also get ahold of spivak's calculus though not sure about that -_-),would you recommend anything in particular or should I not be worried? and seeing as ontario doesn't have any standardized tests and im going to be taking the Euclid math contest this april what would you say is a sufficient score that would indicate that one is going be able to perform well enough in university maths?
Oh and @MattUK since your taking Economics do you happen to know if you can do a math specialist and an eco minor?
Im applying for Math specialist BTW.
TY I'll throw in my input. I was in both MAT157 and MAT240 for a few weeks before I decided that I was uninterested in pure mathematics, and switched to a course with more of a focus on applications. On MAT157, I found that the course was based more on intuition than knowledge. We spent a period of time just analysing the most basic mathematical properties, but with a distinct focus on proofs and the behaviour of mathematics, so to speak. It was interesting, but there is an expectation that you teach yourself the knowledge, and that class is based more on a thorough analysis of that knowledge. So, you may need to teach yourself integration, if you haven't already. I found the class boring, but Xiaohaha might have more in-depth knowledge. On MAT240, I found that course really interesting, and I would liked to have continued taking it (but it was a co-requisite of MAT157). We were dealing with abstract concepts about space and dimension; it was very interesting. The material is taught in that class, it is not expected that you learn it yourself. But, once again, the focus on intuition is there. You will be taught the basics in class, and be expected to grasp the complication analyses in the homework problems. All in all, both are a challenge, and I would only recommend it if you have a genuine interest or ambition in the field of mathematics (which you seem to). As for the Specialist + Minor, it is definitely doable. A Mathematics Specialist is 12.0 credits, and an Economics Minor is 4.0 credits. You need 20.0 to graduate, so you'll have an excess of 4.0 to take as electives. I hope this was helpful! Cheers, MattUK University of Toronto Mathematics and Economics Specialist (BSc.) 2015
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Hi Matt, thank you for your time to start this thread. I am interested in the math spec. program and it said that it will only give you 12 credits but you need 20 credits in general to graduate, then where will you get those other 8 credits. Is taking graduate courses an option to get the credits if you do not want to minor in another subject since I am interested in research math after undergraduate.
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And also, for math spec. do I only take 3 courses in the first year as specified here: http://www.artsandscienc...fr/calendar/crs_mat.htm
157, 240 and 247.
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hoopscob wrote:Hi Matt, thank you for your time to start this thread. I am interested in the math spec. program and it said that it will only give you 12 credits but you need 20 credits in general to graduate, then where will you get those other 8 credits. Is taking graduate courses an option to get the credits if you do not want to minor in another subject since I am interested in research math after undergraduate. Hi hoopscob, Not all courses that you take must count towards your major. As long as you take the required Maths Specialist courses, you can take at least 8.0 elective credits, from any set of courses so long as you have the Secondary School prerequisites. If you have any secondary interests, you can take courses in those - or perhaps in something you've never tried before. And they don't need to count towards a minor in order for you to take them. However, there are five breadth requirements, and you must complete one full credit in four of the five categories. If I recall, it's something like: 1: Creative and Cultural Representations 2: Thought, Belief and Behaviour 3: Society and its Institutions 4: Life (Biology-related, I think) 5: Mathematical and Physical Sciences Since Maths covers the fifth category, you'll need to take courses in three of the remaining four in order to graduate. And as for your second question, yes. MAT157, MAT240 and MAT247 are required courses in first year. University of Toronto Mathematics and Economics Specialist (BSc.) 2015
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Hi.
Math157 is not hard. Math 240 is a little bit easier than 157. Euler contest is a bit harder than 157 exams in terms of difficulty.
You can get Spivak and read it if you want. That will spoil the fun though. If you like maths and do it in your spare time then you'll be fine.
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Thanks for your answers. I do not think any courses in undergrad would be that difficult as I have prepreared quite extensively for olympiads during high school through aime,usamo,apmo,cmo,imo,putnam (sections that do not require analysis) but from discussions of weak correlation between math contest performance and future mathematical research from many IMO participants and Field Medal winners, http://mathbabe.org/2011...-contests-kind-of-suck/
http://lesswrong.com/lw/..._math_competitions_and/
I have stopped doing that and focused more on 'real math.' I have already read Spivak's calculus book and since it seems you are interested in math here is a more comprehensive list of books www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~abhishek/chicmath Cheers, hope to see you guys in the coming fall.
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hoopscob wrote:Thanks for your answers. I do not think any courses in undergrad would be that difficult as I have prepreared quite extensively for olympiads during high school through aime,usamo,apmo,cmo,imo,putnam (sections that do not require analysis) but from discussions of weak correlation between math contest performance and future mathematical research from many IMO participants and Field Medal winners, http://mathbabe.org/2011...-contests-kind-of-suck/
http://lesswrong.com/lw/..._math_competitions_and/
I have stopped doing that and focused more on 'real math.' I have already read Spivak's calculus book and since it seems you are interested in math here is a more comprehensive list of books www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~abhishek/chicmath Cheers, hope to see you guys in the coming fall. Omfg we have a real boss on this forum! A math Olympiad competitor! I probably know you. PM me your name?
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haha, I would like to keep my personal identity to myself. You'll know me if/when we meet.
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@MattUK and @Xiaohaha, ty for responses :) hoopscob wrote:Thanks for your answers. I do not think any courses in undergrad would be that difficult as I have prepreared quite extensively for olympiads during high school through aime,usamo,apmo,cmo,imo,putnam (sections that do not require analysis) but from discussions of weak correlation between math contest performance and future mathematical research from many IMO participants and Field Medal winners, http://mathbabe.org/2011...-contests-kind-of-suck/
http://lesswrong.com/lw/..._math_competitions_and/
I have stopped doing that and focused more on 'real math.' I have already read Spivak's calculus book and since it seems you are interested in math here is a more comprehensive list of books www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~abhishek/chicmath Cheers, hope to see you guys in the coming fall. ty for list i'll certainly look at some of these books, already spotted some that interest me thanks :)
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Hi, MattUK I am a student from China, and I am going to enter UTSC through its greenpath programme this year. I was wondering how I could transfer to St.George from UTSC?? Shoule I restart my course from freshman for the first year in St.George??
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discarder wrote:Hi, MattUK I am a student from China, and I am going to enter UTSC through its greenpath programme this year. I was wondering how I could transfer to St.George from UTSC?? Shoule I restart my course from freshman for the first year in St.George?? Hello, discarder. Being British, I'm not sure about the specific programmes available for students from the People's Republic of China. I understand that the Green Path Programme is specific to UTSC, and in order to graduate from that programme, you may be required to remain on the UTSC campus. But I would e-mail the programme executives for a more concise answer. I found the e-mail to be here: greenpath@utsc.utoronto.caGood luck, MattUK University of Toronto Mathematics and Economics Specialist (BSc.) 2015
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Hey MattUK,
I was wondering, how do we know if we have received an enterance scholarship to our college/ or from U of T St.George when we are accepted?
I have yet to receive the official email or mail package, but I found out about the news on my portal, so I am just wondering.
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6x7 wrote:Hey MattUK,
I was wondering, how do we know if we have received an enterance scholarship to our college/ or from U of T St.George when we are accepted?
I have yet to receive the official email or mail package, but I found out about the news on my portal, so I am just wondering. Hi 6x7, I received a few scholarships, so let me remember how I was informed of them. I know that in all cases, I received some congratulatory letter, followed by a letter containing the cheque. Both of which I received during the course of first semester. I didn't receive the money itself until October or November. I thought that I may have received an e-mail before school started, but I can't find any record of it in my in-box. I do know that if your average is 94% or above, you're guaranteed at least $2,000. As in, if you receive an additional scholarship of less than $2,000, you'll still be given the base amount. It's a pain. Well, I hope this helps. Cheers, MattUK University of Toronto Mathematics and Economics Specialist (BSc.) 2015
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Do know anything about the Fine Arts program? There's next to nothing on the site. 1st: University of Toronto - Accepted 2nd: University of Waterloo, Honours Arts - Accepted 3rd: Queen's University, Honours Arts - Accepted 4th: Laurier (late application) - Accepted
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laurarner wrote:Do know anything about the Fine Arts program? There's next to nothing on the site. Hello, laurarner. I've been graced with no artistic talent, so I haven't really made much of an effort to research Fine Arts. That being said, a cursory glance reveals that Visual Arts seems to be U of T's equivalent to such a programme. It appears that you have to take an introductory course, VIS120H, in which you explore the cultural, societal and political applications of art. If you do well enough in that (60%, but don't let that seemingly low mark deceive you into complacency), you get to take VIS130H, which seems to employ more hands-on work. Then all upper year courses are generally rather hands-on, including application of techniques, rather than learning about art (which, in my opinion, is the academic equivalent of having nails drilled through my hands). But, then again, I'm no artist! Some of the courses look rather interesting - drawing, filming, cartooning, audiovisual, etc. If that's what you're into, you're in for a treat! Best wishes, MattUK University of Toronto Mathematics and Economics Specialist (BSc.) 2015
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Bump! University of Toronto Mathematics and Economics Specialist (BSc.) 2015
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i have a question regarding the fact there's a limit for 100-level courses. up to 6 right? so does this mean half-courses count as 1 100-level course or do they count as a 0.5?
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Hi  , I was just accepted by the Humanities program in the St.George campus and my res is the Woodsworth College. Is this one good? What do you think about this res? Thanks!
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brianjonessss wrote:i have a question regarding the fact there's a limit for 100-level courses. up to 6 right? so does this mean half-courses count as 1 100-level course or do they count as a 0.5? Half year courses count as 0.5 HanaDreamer wrote:Hi  , I was just accepted by the Humanities program in the St.George campus and my res is the Woodsworth College. Is this one good? What do you think about this res? Thanks! Woodsworth is quite nice.
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Hey everyone, I just found this thread so I guess this is really late haha but I was wondering if anyone knows if the actsci program at UofT is good? Also, @matt I'm sort of interested in math/econ, what are the possible careers that one could get out of math/econ? Thanks for any help! :) University of Toronto
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