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Let me first state the following : i had to type this on a slow tablet, i want aerospace not aeronautis, and i dont like the military.
so I come from a small town 80 k people in BC. I want to go to one of these schools for aerospace engineering , but I'm having trouble deciding. From the information that I can gather, Carleton seems to be a nice starter in eng gradually working into aerospace earlier on. It seems U of T in eng sci for two years, then abruptly into aerospace , but through UTIAS, which may offer me a better, more in depth program. So I guess its a matterof quality vs quantity.
To give more insight, I will be living in Res as I have no connections either place, I love physics and math, and from viewing the streams, something that takes design, structure of vehicles, and calculations of orbitals is my interest. I'm also in a heavy duty mechanics course at the moment, and I love how hands on it is. I want to make sure that the program I select will lead inti more hands on and practical as opposed to a ton of theory. UTIAS seems to be able to offer that no problem, but I haven't been able to find anything that Carleton can offer to compete.
If you have any input or other school to consider, please present and support your ideas.
(My base of opinions pulled from their websites and Macleans school rank report
I'm also scared about going from small town to big city, but I'm not sure if I'm being irrational. Either way a sense of community would be nice.
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hey i had a off topic question (sorta) do you know when carleton will be sending out acceptances for their aerospace engineering program? I havent seen much talk about it on this forum. Did you get in already? McMaster University
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UTIAS doesn't have an undergraduate program, you spend your whole 4 years under the Eng Sci umbrella but with some UTIAS professors. UTIAS is graduate school only.
I'm a grad student at UTIAS but didn't attend U of T or Carleton for my undergrad so can't really speak to either. I don't think Eng Sci is necessarily more "practical" or "hands on" than Carleton, in fact it's often billed as the opposite (more theoretically based). As an undergrad at U of T you can do research through UTIAS, which is one of the top aerospace programs.
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If I were you, I would choose Carleton over U of T. the engineering program is really hard and focusses more on theory. Most people I know that went to engineering science want to pursue a higher degree education (masters, phd). While I don't know much about the carleton program, may I suggest Ryerson aerospace. Ryerson's reputation is not very good among people, but I have heard their aerospace program is one of their best courses. The average required for ryerson is around 75. Waterloo Computer Engineering
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I do plan on eventually doing a master and a PhD. I'm just not sure how "aerospace-y" U of T is going to be in the 3rd and 4th year, and I now understand that UTIAS just has profs at U of T, and that i wouldn't be at UTIAS until my graduate.
About Ryerson, I have heard some not so good stuff as well about them, which made me skeptical. I was perusing their website and found their aerospace page to not be very...informative. Which made them fall off my radar. I was thinking about Carleton for an undergrad, then UTIAS for my graduate. But I think the Carleton idea will be a better decision for me, if I get in (to answer Arka's Q).
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I was actually very close to going to Ryerson for grad school. The professors that I met were great and I had a really really good impression of their Aerospace program. From the graduate directors mouth, he considers their program to be more practical and less theoretical than U of T for example, and I would agree. The only reason I didn't go there was because their funding was bad and name brand kind of does matter for a graduate degree.
If you want practical, go to Ryerson or Carleton. If you want theoretical, I would say go to U of T. I wouldn't worry about how "aerospace-y" it is. I did my undergrad in Mechanical, and am now doing fine in an Aerospace graduate program. You don't really learn anything too specific in your undergrad anyways regardless of what you take.
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Thx Ktel. Now that I got some confirmation on practical vs. theory, I just have to decide if I want more hands-on in my undergrad, or theoretical, saving hands-on for later.
And not to complicate things, but my friend keeps raving about York. I've looked into it, and they seem to offer much of what Carleton offers (but with an added bonus of varsity volleyball), but Carleton just seems to be a better option vis a vis statistics. Maybe I'm not giving York a fair chance? I was also wondering if anyone could also shed some light on Ottawa vs. Toronto. I've never really been to either.
P.S. I hate to admit it, but I'm superficial and a bit arrogant. I wouldn't be thinking as much about U of T as I am if it didn't have such prestige attached to it. I'm a being naive?
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Keep in mind York is space, not aerospace, and I believe the program is either small or new (I seem to recall getting a UTIAS e-mail about them hiring more professors in space engineering).
Some people get pretty attached to prestige, but it really doesn't matter for undergrad. It's a little bit more important for grad school though.
I've lived in Edmonton, Toronto and small town Germany, and to me a place is just a place. It's all about your friends and what you make of it to be honest. Ottawa and Toronto are both great cities.
Yes you can get an aerospace job with a mechanical degree. I have a mechanical degree but decided to do postgrad in aerospace because I was coming out of Alberta with zero aerospace knowledge and would be competing with aerospace grads. It's better to have more aerospace knowledge.
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I also don't think it's a new program because I think the history of UTIAS is that it was initially a joint venture between York and U of T. Their program is very small and I would argue somewhat limited
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The whole UTIAS facility is at Dufferin and Steeles, and I spend all day, every day up there. I only come downtown to TA and play sports. There is one UTIAS professor who is downtown, but I think that's it, all the other professors (and their grad students) are up north.
I think the UTIAS name holds a lot of weight in the industry, and that's part of why I wanted to go there. Your question about online courses isn't totally relevant because I'm doing research, which you certainly can't do online anyways. I prefer interacting with my profs in person, the classes are super small and you get to know everybody. I'm not sure how employers would view online courses.
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Carleton university has a new building for aerospace which is a state of the art. So I suppose it will allow more companies to make connection to the university because of faculty. For engineering it really does not matter where u get your undergraduate degree especially for engineering since it's is accredited and has to maintain a ciriculum. I know that Carleton for aerospace has 3 streams where you pursue 2nd or 3rd year...but I heard for uoft eng sci is the hardest eng but it's mostly hardcore physics in the program. I think Ottawa is a really beautiful city really old fashion like the European countries but it's a slow pace city. Toronto is also nice but when ever I'm in the city it seems like you should always be doing something and never be able to relax. Also if you like vball which you mention varsity vball carleton may have a competitive vball team near the future but u of t has a varsity team which is a young team so making it will be hard since there is alot of returning players. I know this because I'm a setter/libero for my highschool team which we enter into big tournaments hosted by university so word gets out by coaches that are scouting players... Carleton University 2016- Architectural Conservation & Sustainability Engineering
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York has a very limited engineering program. Like I said, only Space Engineering, NOT Aerospace. The only other programs are Computer, Geomatics and Software. I know they are trying to expand and are hiring more faculty at the moment. Space, Computer and Geomatics were accredited by the CEAB in 2007, indicating they are a fairly new program.
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Ktel I think u meant York and not Carleton. York is only really good at the liberal arts and some sciences. And of course Shulich. And girls. Their physics building is bigger than thier engineering one. And a lot of their engineering courses are actually physics courses. Avoid unless it's for computer engineering. I think that's the only decent program atm. But they are getting a new building dedicated to engineering around 2015 I believe. They are also expanding their engineering programs slowly. But right now there are way better options than York.
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Yeah sorry I definitely meant York! I will edit that post now...
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Yeah, I just got my acceptance to Ryerson and Carleton for Aerospace. I'm expecting U of T's decision also.
I am totally confused on what to pick.
I also got accepted to the University of Kansas with a $10K Scholarship yearly.
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Any advice would be great :)
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You say you're an international student, so I assume not from the US? You are going to have a HARD time finding an aerospace job in the states if you're not a citizen.
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altu wrote:Carleton university has a new building for aerospace which is a state of the art. So I suppose it will allow more companies to make connection to the university because of faculty. For engineering it really does not matter where u get your undergraduate degree especially for engineering since it's is accredited and has to maintain a ciriculum. I know that Carleton for aerospace has 3 streams where you pursue 2nd or 3rd year...but I heard for uoft eng sci is the hardest eng but it's mostly hardcore physics in the program. I think Ottawa is a really beautiful city really old fashion like the European countries but it's a slow pace city. Toronto is also nice but when ever I'm in the city it seems like you should always be doing something and never be able to relax. Also if you like vball which you mention varsity vball carleton may have a competitive vball team near the future but u of t has a varsity team which is a young team so making it will be hard since there is alot of returning players. I know this because I'm a setter/libero for my highschool team which we enter into big tournaments hosted by university so word gets out by coaches that are scouting players... Correction, Carleton's Aerospace has 4 streams (the 'Space Systems' stream is relatively new.) I'm currently in second year Mechanical at Carleton. I can say that a good two thirds of the Aerospace and Mechanical are the same in terms of required courses, with the first two years being exactly the same. The exception is the 'Electronics and Systems' stream. However, if you are in Mechanical and decide you want a bit more Aero knowledge in 4th year, you can take electives in Aero and Aeros can take electives in Mech.
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