During my latest round of procrastination, I witnessed a video on WorldStarHipHop on animal slaughter which got me trying to justify why I eat meat and I could not come up with anything. This is coming from a person who has eaten meat almost every day of his life.

What are your views on vegetarianism? Veganism? Can you justify your support on animal slaughter? Try to keep to rational and ethical arguments.

Excellent first post.

Regardless, we do not need meat to survive. Therefore, it is a choice that supports animal slaughter.

I was looking for a more rational approach, not "I'll stop raping when it stops feeling so goddamn good!"

Animals do not have any rights other than those society chooses to bestow upon them. Society currently has laws requiring more protection for animals than in the past or in other countries, so I'm not sure why one instance of animal cruelty would be cause to stop an entire industry. If in order to obtain the meat the animal was killed in a humane way as prescribed by law, it is ethical to eat it.

I am confused if by slaughter you mean any method of killing the animal, or by what I presume you consider to be unethical ways of killing the animal. My confusion just results from other vegans I have met who label everything animal slaughter, regardless of conditions.

That makes no sense.



Slaughter - the killing or butchering of cattle, sheep, etc., esp. for food.



I'm in the same boat, but won't accept comfort as a reason. I was hoping I could find the answer through discussion.

I'm not Vegetarian/vegan nor is this propaganda. I'm just trying to figure out why I choose to accept meat and how others justify it as well.

It makes perfect sense. If something is prescribed by law, it is 'ethical' to do so. I will not be punished for eating the meat. Animals do not have 'rights' other than those given to them, and as long as the rights given to them are followed when obtaining the meat it is not 'unethical' to eat it.

Rights are a human creation. Until they are extended to you, they do not exist.

Not everyone is vegetarian because of animal cruelty.

My views on vegetarianism/veganism:
Let people eat what they want. I've been vegetarian for a year and a half, and I've been harassed for this. I don't force my eating habits onto others, but I've had people criticize me for not eating meat. Or preach me on how unhealthy my diet is.

Anyways. I actually didn't become vegetarian because of animal slaughter. It began with a project, but then I found more and more reasons why I should stay vegetarian (e.g. health, environment, animals, etc.).

As for animal slaughter, I feel more compassion towards those animals now than when I first became vegetarian. Before, meat was just .. meat. Yummy. It didn't gross me out or anything. I loved meat. I knew about animal slaughter and I wanted to care, but when I looked at meat, I saw food. Not animal cruelty. I think I was desensitized since I ate meat all the time.

I'm still not that grossed out by meat, but I don't like the idea of chewing animal flesh or drinking milk. I've always liked animals, but for animals like cows and chickens, I'd see them as meat food. Even knowing they were treated badly didn't make me want to stop eating meat. I felt bad for not caring, but I couldn't feel for them.

It's different now that I haven't eaten meat in a while. Imagine eating a cat or a dog. It's kind of like that to me for any meat now.

Rambling here...

Everything in moderation, but I'm definitely not against it. It's natural for us to eat meat just as it is for bears, sharks, or other animals with carnivore instincts. You can take as many supplements as you'd like or eat peanut butter for days but the protein you get from real meat cannot be replaced. I think that the transportation and slaughtering of all livestock needs to improve, but you shouldn't be made to feel bad about what your natural diet would include. Nothing, not even opinion, can change all the nutrients and vitamins you require to live and stay healthy. Personally, I'm looking into ways the transportation and treatment of our livestock can improve for various reasons. The laws here suck in terms of that.

Law is society's morality. I don't cherrypick, I'm Canadian so Canadian laws define what is immoral, so long as I reside in Canada. For example, honour killing is not tolerated in Canada. However in some countries it is. What standard do you have to say that these countries are 'morally wrong'? They are a sovereign nation and can create their own laws. If laws don't equal morality what does? A UN document that reflects Western ideals? Religious doctrine?