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kngo wrote:Wow you made it to ICDC twice?! You're like, my hero. What category were you in? Also, what other universities did you apply to and what made you choose to not go to them and where would you have gone if you didn't get into this program? Sorry if you feel like I'm attacking you with all these questions! Haha thanks. ENW. I applied to BBA/BCS from both sides, BBA/BCS at JUST WLU, UW CS, CS at Guelph, Nanotech at Carleton. I wasn't huge on business until the last minute, and I hadn't done much research on programs so I was "stuck" with DD. Looking back I would of applied to Queens as well. Got into all but DD from the UW side. I chose it simply because it combined the two things I loved. Dont worry, Im here to answer! If I don't reply for a few days feel free to PM. I probably havent had the chance to check up here, but I always answer PMs. Also, I'm currently applying for co-op jobs, and going through the interview process. If anyone wants to hear about the jobs I've been getting interviews for, and the process as a whole just ask! WLU/UW BBA/BCS 2015 Formerly noxx98
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Maybe you can't speak for all DD's, but is a co-op job in CS more common than one in business or vice-versa? Do you feel that your opportunities for CS jobs are "limited" because you are on the WLU side (I'm assuming UW has more CS-related jobs than WLU) Waterloo Mechanical Engineering '17 Applied: McGill :) :( :( :( Western :) Ivey :( U of T :) :) Waterloo :) :) :)
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iliketurtles wrote:Maybe you can't speak for all DD's, but is a co-op job in CS more common than one in business or vice-versa? Do you feel that your opportunities for CS jobs are "limited" because you are on the WLU side (I'm assuming UW has more CS-related jobs than WLU) In regards to BBA/BCS, at UW everyone is in a CS job. They have a ton of them, in everything from startups, huge software giants, to industry. At WLU the CS opportunities are more limited, think RIM, Ontario Teaches Pension, Sybase, Desire2Learn, Open Text, some banks, and a couple start ups. Certainly not the same number as UW. Personally, I'm more onto the business side of things, I don't want to be a code monkey, so I love having more business jobs. However the majority of my interviews have been for somewhat more technical positions - Open Text, Manulife, and Deloitte, all in a somewhat technical position. WLU/UW BBA/BCS 2015 Formerly noxx98
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Do you know anything about the Honours Bachelor of Business Administration and Honours Bachelor of Science in Computer Science not the DD like what you are in. The name seems similar except I guess the CS is fr Laurier and not UW, so do you know the difference between the 2 prgs ie cutoff, hardness, # of students that apply and get accepted. I want to do business analyst, so not in depth cs that is why I chose this but not sure how it compares to the DD.
How is the interview/job process, is there alot of job openings and do they ask hard questions at the interview, how does the process work? How is the pay compared to UW co-op.
Is the cutoff for Laurier lower than UW for DD, is that why you got into laurier and not UW or did they look at different things or UW more picky, I know UW has an aif but Laurier doesn't right?
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gstar wrote:Do you know anything about the Honours Bachelor of Business Administration and Honours Bachelor of Science in Computer Science not the DD like what you are in. The name seems similar except I guess the CS is fr Laurier and not UW, so do you know the difference between the 2 prgs ie cutoff, hardness, # of students that apply and get accepted. I want to do business analyst, so not in depth cs that is why I chose this but not sure how it compares to the DD.
How is the interview/job process, is there alot of job openings and do they ask hard questions at the interview, how does the process work? How is the pay compared to UW co-op.
Is the cutoff for Laurier lower than UW for DD, is that why you got into laurier and not UW or did they look at different things or UW more picky, I know UW has an aif but Laurier doesn't right? Cutoff and harness are both lower. No idea on the amount that get accepted/apply, although FWIW, I've never met anyone in that program. Actually, one of the jobs I interviewed for was as a business systems analyst ( I THINK thats what you mean). So its very possible with either DD. At a minimum, I'd recommend either a CS degree with a minor in business, or a BBA with a minor in CS, although DD is great of course. There were about 200 jobs posted for the first round. About 60% of people get jobs in this round (this is for BBA, econ, and all DD's at WLU. UW has many many more jobs). After that the other 40% of people will find a job. Question difficulty is pretty common. I had one interview that was really really bizarre, and one which just wasn't a good match for my skills, so it was tough. The rest though have been really laid back for the most part. They understand you don't have advanced technical skills, so they're trying to judge fit, how you manage yourself, work ethic, learning ability etc. Process is jobs are posted, you apply to jobs you want. I applyed to over 100. This is a common number for first time co-ops. For later co-op terms people tend to apply to 40-50. Employers select you for an interview. You go in for an interview. Employers then rank the people they interviewed. After that I rank the employers. Then you're "matched" with the best fit. If a company ranks you #1, thats essentially a job offer. If I rank then #1, thats essentially an acceptance. #2 would of course be, "well if I don't get #1, I'll take this one," and this stands for both employers and applicants. Although the cutoff is technically the same, UW tends to get more applicants then WLU, thus making the minimum higher. You have to remember that in ALL programs the cutoff is an estimate. Schools base it upon how many applicants they get. For example, in BBA/BCS UW/WLU, each side will take in 30 people. If they estimate that say, 67% of all people they offer to will accept, they will make 45 offers. So, they will make offers to those that they feel are the top 45 people. Minimum grade requirements can vary by as much as 3% a year, depending on the program, school, economic climate, etc. Laurier offers an ABS, which is their AIF. WLU/UW BBA/BCS 2015 Formerly noxx98
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I updated the first post with some top posts in this topic, so that questions aren't asked over and over again. I'll try to update that as the year goes on. Hopefully if you're applying to Uni you made it out to the Uni fair this past weekend. It certainly helped me a lot in grade 11 and 12. WLU/UW BBA/BCS 2015 Formerly noxx98
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I talked to someone in the math faculty at the uni fair and they estimated that about 600 students apply and they only accept about 40. But there have been different cases where I heard they take 60 **Shields** Accepted: University of Toronto: Social Sciences + Vic One (Pearson Stream) Carleton University: Honours Science University of British Columbia: Arts
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Its 60 for the Math/Business double degree (120 in total) see: here. For Bus/CS its 30 each side (60 in total). Admits in according to my understanding, is how many they expect will actually accept an offer. WLU/UW BBA/BCS 2015 Formerly noxx98
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How would you know if you needed to write the abs, fr what I understand you write it if you are 3% below the cutoff
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Write it no matter what. It's only like 3 pages, no big deal. It will be used if you're within 3% of the cutoff. WLU/UW BBA/BCS 2015 Formerly noxx98
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Nick0rz, how much heavier of a workload and how much more difficult do you find the program gets in the upper years? And out of curiosity, is the program gaining more recognition nationally and abroad? Thanks
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ConMan wrote:Nick0rz, how much heavier of a workload and how much more difficult do you find the program gets in the upper years? And out of curiosity, is the program gaining more recognition nationally and abroad? Thanks Workload and difficulty I think stays reasonably consistent throughout. For myself personally though, I like it now that I don't have as many math couses to take after first year (being in CS). I find the CS assignments to be much more enjoyable then math. Also, in CS assignments make up a large chunk of your mark (40-60%), as compared to math which is usually about 10% of your mark. Much nicer! Yes I do think their international rep is increasing. One thing to note, is that the first graduating class graduated in '05 (or '04). So it is a very young program. However, there are graduates that have gone on to work for McKinsey, BCG, Goldman, Pittsburgh Pirates, Milwaukee Bucks, etc. Nationally I find the program to be very well regarded. DD's are taking more and more of the finance co-op jobs away from normal BBAs, which I think is a strong indicator of the reputation that the program is garnering. International rep is still growing, and much of that comes from being associated with UW. This up coming winter 2 BBA/BCS students will have co-ops with Google, which is very impressive for 2nd years. Also, a few weeks back I was having a Twitter conversation with a developer at Bloomberg sports, who was very familiar with UW, despite living his whole life in the states. UW itself really brings the international reputation, along with excellent recruiting opportunities. WLU/UW BBA/BCS 2015 Formerly noxx98
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hamsterpower7 wrote:I am interested in this program, though I don't really know what you learn in business classes because I never had a chance to take one, What kind of jobs do graduates get? Do any of them get into google or microsoft as a math/business dd?
I am split between mathematical physics vs dd I really love physics and I was going to pursue it all the way to phd But I was worried that I might not be able to find jobs, on the other hand the dd would give me plenty of opportunities...
can somebody explain what kind of work you do in the a typical jobs if you do double degree? High school business is nothing like university business so you're safe. A lot of DD's go into jobs with BMO, RBC, OTPP, etc in finance roles of some sort. Something quantitative, or in investment banking. There's also some who pursue actuarial science amongst other thinks, however many DD's do something with a quantitative portion. For the BBA/BCS program there's 2 students who will be working at Google this up coming term, along with 2 others who will be in Silicon valley. Out of a program with ~45 or so people, thats pretty damn impressive if you ask me. You seem smart, just have to decide where your passions truly lie WLU/UW BBA/BCS 2015 Formerly noxx98
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Hi, can you explain to me how the software engineering option works? can i major in act. sci thru DD w/ BBA, without getting a high GPA like the BMath program? and is CS DD a lower avg. requirement than BBA DD
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plaidboy wrote:Hi, can you explain to me how the software engineering option works? can i major in act. sci thru DD w/ BBA, without getting a high GPA like the BMath program? and is CS DD a lower avg. requirement than BBA DD Not sure. Google it. You need a 70% average in your major. That is certainly achievable. The average for DD students is around 80%. There are two DD programs. CS/BBA and Bmath/BBA. CS is slightly lower, because its a younger program, with less applicants. However I'd assume in a few years time as it gets more competitive the two requirements will become the same. WLU/UW BBA/BCS 2015 Formerly noxx98
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You can do a software engineering option with CS. You won't be able to get it in the CS DD because you won't have enough space but you will get some exposure to the kind of courses they take.
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Actually, I think in theory you'd be able to get it, by taking 6 courses in multiple semesters. However you wouldn't be able to get a business specialization: http://ugradcalendar.uwa...in-Software-Engineering & http://ugradcalendar.uwa...ci-Double-Degree-Reqmnt
CS 445 is required for DD. So CS 446 and CS 447 would be extras. CS 488 and CS 466 are both required for DD. CS 488 requires 1 non mandatory prereq. BU 111 and CS 492 are required for DD. So you just need to take a Reasoning Methodologies course. That gives you your 4 "elective courses" and an SE option. WLU/UW BBA/BCS 2015 Formerly noxx98
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alrite thanks, and I think you're right its possible because it was on the brochure for the DD compsci program. Do you think I can get in w/ an 87 avg. on the laurier side? My EC's are just a part time job and DECA, and some volunteering experience
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plaidboy wrote:alrite thanks, and I think you're right its possible because it was on the brochure for the DD compsci program. Do you think I can get in w/ an 87 avg. on the laurier side? My EC's are just a part time job and DECA, and some volunteering experience You're cutting it close. Aim for an 89 or so. 88 might do it, but no promises. WLU/UW BBA/BCS 2015 Formerly noxx98
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