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Choosing between Comp-Sci and Engineering Options
iRamie
#1 Posted : Tuesday, May 08, 2012 1:45:09 AM
Rank: Senior Student




Joined: 12/20/2010
Posts: 257
I've been accepted to Waterloo Computer Engineering, and I have a few questions about it :\

1) What is the graduation rate for Computer/Software/Electrical Engineers out of UW and what is it for Engineering overall. I mean by the percentage of people who graduate successfully from the program.

What is the graduation rate for Computer Science students?

2) In your opinion, is 4Stream better or 8Stream better?

3) I've heard that if I enter engineering, I will have very little time to do things such as extra extracurriculars. I'm the type of person who just hates reading/memorizing a book; id much rather sit in lectures that interest me/ that i am required to study, i enjoy that better.

The thing with computer science is there is less of the conceptual stuff and more math involved. I like that kind of stuff because it is more practical, and i can apply it (to programs/code) and learn it.

So im sure im not the only one with this dillemma of Computer Science vs Computer/Software Engineering, so if you could help me out please do cheers

Waterloo Computer Engineering 2017

Waterloo Computer Engineering<-- ACCEPTED
Waterloo Computer Science<-- ACCEPTED
Carleton Software Engineering/Communications Engineering/Computer Science <-- ACCEPTED
McMaster Engineering (Co Op)<-- ACCEPTED
UofT Computer Engineering<-- ACCEPTED
UofT Computer Science<-- ACCEPTED

Comp Sci Avg: 92.3
Comp Eng Avg: 88.7
North
#2 Posted : Tuesday, May 08, 2012 11:08:00 AM
Rank: Student Body President




Joined: 12/20/2010
Posts: 1,124
iRamie wrote:
I've been accepted to Waterloo Computer Engineering, and I have a few questions about it :\

1) What is the graduation rate for Computer/Software/Electrical Engineers out of UW and what is it for Engineering overall. I mean by the percentage of people who graduate successfully from the program.

What is the graduation rate for Computer Science students?


I can't find the graduation rate for specific engineering disciplines, but overall it is 88% for engineering and 86% for CS.


I can't help you too much with your decision because I never really considered engineering, but if you have any questions about CS at UW I'd be happy to answer them.

UW/WLU Math/Business DD - 2016
President - Double Degree Club

iRamie
#3 Posted : Tuesday, May 08, 2012 8:41:43 PM
Rank: Senior Student




Joined: 12/20/2010
Posts: 257
North wrote:

I can't find the graduation rate for specific engineering disciplines, but overall it is 88% for engineering and 86% for CS.


I can't help you too much with your decision because I never really considered engineering, but if you have any questions about CS at UW I'd be happy to answer them.


Wow that's high, Carleton was like 68% or something
How intense is the CS at Waterloo?
Is it something than average person with mid 80s out of high school can get, or do you truly have to work hard.

What if you have a passion for software engineering/IT and know some programming already?
Waterloo Computer Engineering 2017

Waterloo Computer Engineering<-- ACCEPTED
Waterloo Computer Science<-- ACCEPTED
Carleton Software Engineering/Communications Engineering/Computer Science <-- ACCEPTED
McMaster Engineering (Co Op)<-- ACCEPTED
UofT Computer Engineering<-- ACCEPTED
UofT Computer Science<-- ACCEPTED

Comp Sci Avg: 92.3
Comp Eng Avg: 88.7
North
#4 Posted : Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:03:59 PM
Rank: Student Body President




Joined: 12/20/2010
Posts: 1,124
iRamie wrote:
North wrote:

I can't find the graduation rate for specific engineering disciplines, but overall it is 88% for engineering and 86% for CS.


I can't help you too much with your decision because I never really considered engineering, but if you have any questions about CS at UW I'd be happy to answer them.


Wow that's high, Carleton was like 68% or something
How intense is the CS at Waterloo?
Is it something than average person with mid 80s out of high school can get, or do you truly have to work hard.

What if you have a passion for software engineering/IT and know some programming already?


Short answer: Doable as long as you go to class and go for help when you need it.

CS is definitely doable if you get mid 80 in HS. UW wouldn't accept you into the program if they really thought you couldn't do it.

Yes, it is hard work, but if you go to class and ask questions/go for help when you are having trouble then it is very doable. I felt like 1st year CS was really easy once you understand what works for you on assignments. For me, it was thinking about the problem, and not worrying about code. I thought about how I would solve the problem by hand, and then write the code to do the exact same thing. One of my friends ran into trouble when he tried to write the code right away.

Programming experience will help you, but it can also hurt you in first term First term you will working from a functional programming paradigm, which is very different from an imperative one that you may be used to.

UW/WLU Math/Business DD - 2016
President - Double Degree Club

iRamie
#5 Posted : Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:27:56 PM
Rank: Senior Student




Joined: 12/20/2010
Posts: 257
North wrote:
iRamie wrote:
North wrote:

I can't find the graduation rate for specific engineering disciplines, but overall it is 88% for engineering and 86% for CS.


I can't help you too much with your decision because I never really considered engineering, but if you have any questions about CS at UW I'd be happy to answer them.


Wow that's high, Carleton was like 68% or something
How intense is the CS at Waterloo?
Is it something than average person with mid 80s out of high school can get, or do you truly have to work hard.

What if you have a passion for software engineering/IT and know some programming already?


Short answer: Doable as long as you go to class and go for help when you need it.

CS is definitely doable if you get mid 80 in HS. UW wouldn't accept you into the program if they really thought you couldn't do it.

Yes, it is hard work, but if you go to class and ask questions/go for help when you are having trouble then it is very doable. I felt like 1st year CS was really easy once you understand what works for you on assignments. For me, it was thinking about the problem, and not worrying about code. I thought about how I would solve the problem by hand, and then write the code to do the exact same thing. One of my friends ran into trouble when he tried to write the code right away.

Programming experience will help you, but it can also hurt you in first term First term you will working from a functional programming paradigm, which is very different from an imperative one that you may be used to.


WOW, people make it sound like its impossible. But i guess it is doable then...
If i go into Computer Engineering, can i switch to CS later?
Waterloo Computer Engineering 2017

Waterloo Computer Engineering<-- ACCEPTED
Waterloo Computer Science<-- ACCEPTED
Carleton Software Engineering/Communications Engineering/Computer Science <-- ACCEPTED
McMaster Engineering (Co Op)<-- ACCEPTED
UofT Computer Engineering<-- ACCEPTED
UofT Computer Science<-- ACCEPTED

Comp Sci Avg: 92.3
Comp Eng Avg: 88.7
North
#6 Posted : Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:34:33 PM
Rank: Student Body President




Joined: 12/20/2010
Posts: 1,124
I'm not sure, you would be best to email/call the CS/Comp. Eng. advisors to ask that question.

People make the program harder than they need to by starting assignments late, and not taking ownership for their learning.
UW/WLU Math/Business DD - 2016
President - Double Degree Club

greygoose
#7 Posted : Wednesday, May 09, 2012 5:14:27 PM
Rank: Student Body Vice-President


Joined: 5/15/2011
Posts: 702
iRamie wrote:
I've been accepted to Waterloo Computer Engineering, and I have a few questions about it :\

1) What is the graduation rate for Computer/Software/Electrical Engineers out of UW and what is it for Engineering overall. I mean by the percentage of people who graduate successfully from the program.

What is the graduation rate for Computer Science students?


Uhm... high? Also high? Are you seriously basing your career plans on a statistic? It's up to you to put in the work and graduate from the program, and some percentages won't change whether or not you can do that...

iRamie wrote:
2) In your opinion, is 4Stream better or 8Stream better?


There are advantages to both. 8-stream gives you a longer time to build up some skills before you work, but in either case, you pretty much know nothing for your first co-op. 4-stream puts you into the job hunt your first semester, which is pretty stressful. 4-stream has less competition from other junior students for jobs. There are more jobs total available for 8-stream students. Summer semester is something that some people like and some people hate. It's kind of a personal decision, and not cut and dry.

iRamie wrote:
3) I've heard that if I enter engineering, I will have very little time to do things such as extra extracurriculars. I'm the type of person who just hates reading/memorizing a book; id much rather sit in lectures that interest me/ that i am required to study, i enjoy that better.

The thing with computer science is there is less of the conceptual stuff and more math involved. I like that kind of stuff because it is more practical, and i can apply it (to programs/code) and learn it.

So im sure im not the only one with this dillemma of Computer Science vs Computer/Software Engineering, so if you could help me out please do cheers


Engineering on average has a much higher workload than CS, at least in the lower years. Engineering requires a lot of memorization/plugging and chugging. CS requires a little bit less of that.

Because CS requires less of that, it has more abstract thinking... e.g. math. Unless you're going into political science, you're not going to be able to have the advantage of applying critical thought and practical action simultaneously. So your statements there are pretty contradictory.

For CS, a lot of the practical stuff comes from co-op, less from courses. Engineering is oriented to be practical the entire way through. I think knowing the theory gives you much better understanding and therefore makes you a much better person. (I say "person" because I don't want to say "employee", which has the connotation of work only. I am not saying that engineers are worse people, by any means. My engineering friends are amazing. I think part of the reason they're amazing is they spend a lot of extra time pursuing that theory on their own time. But either way...)
adv4ntag3
#8 Posted : Wednesday, May 09, 2012 11:15:23 PM
Rank: Senior Student


Joined: 5/22/2011
Posts: 94
you don't enjoy conceptual stuff?...well, first year comp sci all the math courses u take are all conceptual proof courses...if u really love programming and the theory behind it all, go for comp sci...and who cares about the graduation rate, thinking about that ur already wondering if ur going to fail out or not; if u think that before ur already in school, u might as well give up now

iRamie wrote:
I've been accepted to Waterloo Computer Engineering, and I have a few questions about it :\

1) What is the graduation rate for Computer/Software/Electrical Engineers out of UW and what is it for Engineering overall. I mean by the percentage of people who graduate successfully from the program.

What is the graduation rate for Computer Science students?

2) In your opinion, is 4Stream better or 8Stream better?

3) I've heard that if I enter engineering, I will have very little time to do things such as extra extracurriculars. I'm the type of person who just hates reading/memorizing a book; id much rather sit in lectures that interest me/ that i am required to study, i enjoy that better.

The thing with computer science is there is less of the conceptual stuff and more math involved. I like that kind of stuff because it is more practical, and i can apply it (to programs/code) and learn it.

So im sure im not the only one with this dillemma of Computer Science vs Computer/Software Engineering, so if you could help me out please do cheers


University of Waterloo Nano Eng 2016
seasharp
#9 Posted : Thursday, May 10, 2012 9:05:44 AM
Rank: Student Council




Joined: 3/22/2012
Posts: 465
Quote:
2) In your opinion, is 4Stream better or 8Stream better?


I've heard 8 is better because you have two semesters of knowledge under your belt.
University of Guelph
Software Engineering, 2016

Applications (for Fall 2012):
University of Waterloo - Computer Science (Alternate offer to Geomatics, May)
University of Guelph - Software Engineering (Accepted, March)
Carleton University - Computer Science: Game Development (Accepted, February)
Carleton University - Interactive Multimedia and Design (Accepted, March)
The University of Western Ontario - B.Sc. Computer Science (Cancelled application)

First semester (mixed w/ grade 11 marks) average: low-mid 80s
Second semester midterm average: 81.33%
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