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http://www.businessinsid...neering-schools-2012-6#
The ranking is based on a survey of 723 leaders including developers, engineers and others at popular tech companies. Each leader rated schools from “not valuable” to “most valuable.” Basically, everyone that contributed to this ranking knew what they were talking about. Of the 723 respondents to the survey, nearly all (91%) said they had a computer science, engineering or equivalent degree. The two most important things that went into choosing an engineering school were the skills and knowledge they acquired in school (73.9%) and the brand value of the school (18.8%). Only 3 Canadian schools made the top 50. Of course, Waterloo (#29 in the world) and University of Toronto (#35 in the world) still made the top in Canada, but uOttawa ranked as the 3rd best engineering school in Canada at #44 in the world. Looks like despite having a significantly lower entrance average than either Waterloo or Toronto, the education provided at uOttawa is top notch and weeds out the slackers while turning out exceptional graduates.
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how legit is this list anyways? Waterloo Electrical Engineering (Co-op) - Alternative to S.Y.D.E
McMaster Engineering 1 (Co-op) - Rejected
Western Engineering - Accepted
UofT Electrical Engineering[/color] - Alternative to UTSC...
Ryerson Electrical Engineering - Accepted
UOIT Electrical - Accepted
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jellybro wrote:how legit is this list anyways? Legit enough that the dean of waterloo engineering congratulated his school for it: http://uwaterloo.ca/news...gineering-school-canada
This list is probably the most legit list you can ever get. It is engineering schools ranked by real engineering leaders, not by some random journalist on wikipedia.
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wow.... most of the engineering schools in Canada aren't even top in the world, I thought for sure McMaster or McGill could at least land a spot, unexpected for Ottawa. I guess this kinda makes me happy I got into Waterloo. Waterloo Electrical Engineering (Co-op) - Alternative to S.Y.D.E
McMaster Engineering 1 (Co-op) - Rejected
Western Engineering - Accepted
UofT Electrical Engineering[/color] - Alternative to UTSC...
Ryerson Electrical Engineering - Accepted
UOIT Electrical - Accepted
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jellybro wrote:wow.... most of the engineering schools in Canada aren't even top in the world, I thought for sure McMaster or McGill could at least land a spot, unexpected for Ottawa. I guess this kinda makes me happy I got into Waterloo. I expected McGill as well, especially based on how it flaunts its "international reputation". Most of these employers were clearly American due to the dominance of American schools on the list.
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MIT as second and yet California Institute of Technology is first. I lol.
Get back to the topic, I think the way this survey is done needs to take a closer examination and requires some critical analysis. For example, how was the sampling done and how could these 723 people decide which university is better? What kind of title or job position give these 732 the credibility to comment on the ranking of these universities? What and how top technology companies were selected and how many employers out of these companies were selected? How many people actually responded to this survey?
Overall, yes, I don't like this ranking at all. I personally think that this is extremely biased, lack of reasoning and data. I studied C++, C# and Java yet does this mean I can take this survey and rank all the universities?
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Serllen wrote:MIT as second and yet California Institute of Technology is first. I lol.
Get back to the topic, I think the way this survey is done needs to take a closer examination and requires some critical analysis. For example, how was the sampling done and how could these 723 people decide which university is better? What kind of title or job position give these 732 the credibility to comment on the ranking of these universities? What and how top technology companies were selected and how many employers out of these companies were selected? How many people actually responded to this survey?
Overall, yes, I don't like this ranking at all. I personally think that this is extremely biased, lack of reasoning and data. I studied C++, C# and Java yet does this mean I can take this survey and rank all the universities? What is wrong with CIT beating out MIT? That is probably the least controversial thing in that list... Did you attend both universities? What makes you think you know better? Also, who better to rank engineering schools than the people who work with and employ their graduates? This ranking is far more accurate in the performance of engineering schools than those done by McLean's or other journalists who have no idea about the field. In the end, rankings are just opinions, but this one is an opinion by people that actually matter.
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Lets take engineering advice from business people, sure thing  Serious BusinessYork- African Studies --> RejectedNippissing- Commerece --> RejectedLaurentian- Communication --> RejectedAlgoma- Anishinaabemowin --> WaitingUofT- Engineering Science --> Waiting (Pleasee)
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leafs2013 wrote:Lets take engineering advice from business people, sure thing I guess you missed the part where just about all of them also had engineering/CS degrees.
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Applesmack123 wrote:
Also, who better to rank engineering schools than the people who work with and employ their graduates? This ranking is far more accurate in the performance of engineering schools than those done by McLean's or other journalists who have no idea about the field. In the end, rankings are just opinions, but this one is an opinion by people that actually matter.
This really just proves that you are only impressed by the fact that this ranking is titled "Top 50 Engineering Schools in the World ranked by business leaders" and yet lacked the knowledge of how this statistic project is conducted. I'm not saying that the rankings done by McLean's and other journalists are more superior and in fact I think all the rankings lack a more informative way of data presentation. Just listing which school is first, second, third...etc isn't enough and cannot be called as presenting structured data. Applesmack123 wrote:
What is wrong with CIT beating out MIT? That is probably the least controversial thing in that list... Did you attend both universities? What makes you think you know better?
And nope, I didn't go to either CIT or MIT. Also, I didn't say it's an unfair ranking that MIT is second and CIT as first; I just thought that it took quite long to have a university ranking that states MIT is lower than CIT.
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Applesmack123 wrote:leafs2013 wrote:Lets take engineering advice from business people, sure thing I guess you missed the part where just about all of them also had engineering/CS degrees. Not all, only 91% of the 723 people have engineering/CS degree.
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engineersrock wrote:Looking at the "Top Employers" section for the schools on the list, they all seem to be strictly related to computer science. It seems this ranking list is very heavily focused on computer engineering/science, and not engineering as a whole. Can't be sure though, but it sticks out like a sore thumb to me. Either way, congrats to the Canadian schools that made it - although I expected more of them and at higher ranks.
Rankings in general are pretty much insignificant for most intents and purposes in my opinion. It mostly depends on the student - not to say your school's environment is unimportant though. I agree about your opinion on rankings in general but disagree that you think more Canadian schools should have made it. Infact, I think the only Canadian university that really deserves top 50 is uToronto and only because of its graduate-PHD programs and research. Definitely not due to its undergrad.
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This list is biased in favour of Americans, so Canadian schools get snubbed. They probably just threw UofT in there because thats the only on they know. We all know canadians are smarter than americans lol Serious BusinessYork- African Studies --> RejectedNippissing- Commerece --> RejectedLaurentian- Communication --> RejectedAlgoma- Anishinaabemowin --> WaitingUofT- Engineering Science --> Waiting (Pleasee)
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Applesmack123 wrote:jellybro wrote:how legit is this list anyways? Legit enough that the dean of waterloo engineering congratulated his school for it: http://uwaterloo.ca/news...gineering-school-canada
This list is probably the most legit list you can ever get. It is engineering schools ranked by real engineering leaders, not by some random journalist on wikipedia. Any school will latch onto any ranking that shows their school in a positive light. This doesn't show how legit it is at all.
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Who even calls Caltech 'CIT'? LOL.
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