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gassergasser
#61 Posted : Wednesday, December 22, 2010 9:38:16 PM
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<b>My Political Views</b><br>I am a center-left moderate social libertarian<br>Left: 1.68, Libertarian: 1.5<br><img src="http://www.gotoquiz.com/politics/grid/17x23.gif"><br><a href="http://www.gotoquiz.com/politics/political-spectrum-quiz.html">Political Spectrum Quiz</a><br>
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mynameismattgotmlgo
#62 Posted : Wednesday, December 22, 2010 9:44:40 PM
Rank: Student Body President


Joined: 12/22/2010
Posts: 1,330
Right: 0.42, Authoritarian: 0.74 (pretty much right in the centre), and I'd identify myself as fiscally conservative and culturally very liberal.

I like free markets, but I don't agree that businesses always act in the best interests of all people and thus need to be regulated to some extent. I also think certain public services (especially health care) are rights and actually serve to the benefit of everyone. That is, if everyone enjoys a certain minimal standard of living, then everyone is happy. If we had too many people living in poverty, then I believe that would actually affect the SOL of the rich. Why do you think rich people don't try to be even richer by living in poor neighbourhoods? It's not ideal to live amongst a bunch of impoverished people.

Also I don't think everyone is capable of making smart and/or moral decisions, so I believe there has to be a good deal of authority. If a person makes a decision that doesn't really affect anyone else, then whatever. But that's rarely ever the case.

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Nyx
#63 Posted : Wednesday, December 22, 2010 10:30:07 PM
Rank: Valedictorian




Joined: 12/13/2010
Posts: 681
ARMY101 wrote:
For those confused about what their results mean, place them on this graph:


according to this, i'm too far left to vote for any of them :/
what does being left or right even mean?
Perpetually hungry.
Qq
#64 Posted : Wednesday, December 22, 2010 10:32:03 PM
Rank: Student Council




Joined: 12/20/2010
Posts: 350
Zion wrote:
ARMY101 wrote:
Zion wrote:
As long as we're discussing patriotism or lack thereof...I think Canada is a wonderful place to live and I'm thankful for it, but it's lack of culture, history, and identity is just depressing.

You haven't studied its culture, history, or identity if you don't think it has one.

Deploying 14 troops in a World War does not constitute history, and Tim Hortons does not constitute culture nor identity.


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Zion
#65 Posted : Thursday, December 23, 2010 12:10:24 AM
Rank: Student Body President




Joined: 12/20/2010
Posts: 1,288
littleroom wrote:
Zion, can you pinpoint the identities of some other cultures for me? I find it difficult no matter where you're talking about.

I think identity is the product of culture and history, both of which Canada lacks. Take Russia. They have one of the most interesting histories out of any country - Kievan Rus and Old Church Slavonic, the creation of St. Petersburg, the tsars (especially the Romanovs), the defeat of Napoleon, the October Revolution, the USSR, etc. etc. Russian culture is also astounding - the development of communism, ballet, classical music, film, and some of the world's best literature. What does Canada have...a peacekeeping mission in the Suez Canal and Margaret Atwood? As I said, it's a great place to live and I'm not complaining, but the absence of any identity (aka culture and history) is disturbing.
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ARMY101
#66 Posted : Thursday, December 23, 2010 9:13:20 AM
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Joined: 12/20/2010
Posts: 1,572
Nyx wrote:
ARMY101 wrote:
For those confused about what their results mean, place them on this graph:


according to this, i'm too far left to vote for any of them :/
what does being left or right even mean?

Then you'd be voting for the Communist Party (the Marxist-Leninist Party in Canada). They're not on that graph because they died in the 90's and they will never succeed in any first world country.
ARMY101
#67 Posted : Thursday, December 23, 2010 9:18:02 AM
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Joined: 12/20/2010
Posts: 1,572
IanSharer wrote:
Freedom within a limits is not true freedom. Freedom is like being able to eat whatever you want, not having the "freedom" to choose between a limited amount of choices put before you by someone else.

Why do they have such a right? Are we so stupid that we cannot make choices ourselves? If I'm forced to follow their rules, is this not the opposite of freedom (slavery)?


Yes, humans generally are "stupid" and will not always make smart choices. Look at helmet laws: the government forces people to wear helmets because otherwise, they would not. People are short-sighted and would not think it important enough to bother wearing a helmet.

Further, no, it is not slavery. You have already tried that discussion twice now and failed.
ARMY101
#68 Posted : Thursday, December 23, 2010 9:22:59 AM
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Joined: 12/20/2010
Posts: 1,572
Zion wrote:
Thousands of years? Rofl. That article only goes to the 16th century. Perhaps your definition of history is skewed. When you study Russian or British or Chinese or Indian history, Canada's is just a joke. We're the only country to ever politely request independence.

That plurality of culture denies the possibility of a singular culture or identity. Hence, we're a melting pot. You can tell that the government is trying to push some elusive identity on us because it's so embarrassingly obvious that we lack one. A coin and a leaf don't really cut it for me, sorry.

Yes, THAT article only notes history back to the 16th century because that's around the time when a large number of British settlers began arriving and colonizing the area. That doesn't mean there wasn't anyone or anything here before the 16th century though. That aspect of Canada is just as important as any other part.

Do you know what a melting pot is? A melting pot is the combination of several ethnicities and the output of one common ethnicity. That is what the U.S. is; that is not what Canada is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melting_pot
ehkay17
#69 Posted : Thursday, December 23, 2010 11:21:23 AM
Rank: Frosh




Joined: 12/21/2010
Posts: 8
I got Left: 5.96, Authoritarian: 6.34
"left social authoritarian"
IanSharer
#70 Posted : Thursday, December 23, 2010 2:29:26 PM
Rank: Valedictorian




Joined: 12/21/2010
Posts: 549
ARMY101 wrote:
IanSharer wrote:
Freedom within a limits is not true freedom. Freedom is like being able to eat whatever you want, not having the "freedom" to choose between a limited amount of choices put before you by someone else.

Why do they have such a right? Are we so stupid that we cannot make choices ourselves? If I'm forced to follow their rules, is this not the opposite of freedom (slavery)?


Yes, humans generally are "stupid" and will not always make smart choices. Look at helmet laws: the government forces people to wear helmets because otherwise, they would not. People are short-sighted and would not think it important enough to bother wearing a helmet.

Further, no, it is not slavery. You have already tried that discussion twice now and failed.


If humans are generally stupid, what makes you think a bunch of humans acting as the "government" will make the best decisions?

If people don't wear helmets despite the risks associated with not wearing them, that's their own fault. While we're at it, let's ban alcohol, tobacco, chocolate, and anything else unhealthy. After all, we're not privileged enough to make our decisions.

And no, I don't think we ever finished our discussion and I stand by the fact that government is slavery.
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York University
Zion
#71 Posted : Thursday, December 23, 2010 2:40:39 PM
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Joined: 12/20/2010
Posts: 1,288
[quote=ARMY101]
Yes, THAT article only notes history back to the 16th century because that's around the time when a large number of British settlers began arriving and colonizing the area. That doesn't mean there wasn't anyone or anything here before the 16th century though. That aspect of Canada is just as important as any other part.

Do you know what a melting pot is? A melting pot is the combination of several ethnicities and the output of one common ethnicity. That is what the U.S. is; that is not what Canada is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melting_pot[/quote]
Alright, you got me on the melting pot. But how can you say pre-colonial Canadian history is as important as post-colonial? It's not even documented. The Mongolians migrated over the ice bridge and settled in North and South America, but we don't know the details of anything before the 16th century.
Queen's 15
mynameismattgotmlgo
#72 Posted : Thursday, December 23, 2010 5:09:32 PM
Rank: Student Body President


Joined: 12/22/2010
Posts: 1,330
IanSharer wrote:
If humans are generally stupid, what makes you think a bunch of humans acting as the "government" will make the best decisions?


Jesus, man. You try to be difficult.

I think Army phrased that incorrectly, but I think it is pretty obvious what he meant to say: not everyone is smart or considerate of other people. The government tries to ensure that even stupid and/or inconsiderate people act as smart/considerate people do.

Even if he phrased it as he meant it, the government is NOT generally made of people who are stupid.


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IanSharer
#73 Posted : Thursday, December 23, 2010 8:34:25 PM
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Posts: 549
mynameismattgotmlgo wrote:
not everyone is smart or considerate of other people. The government tries to ensure that even stupid and/or inconsiderate people act as smart/considerate people do


Okay, but you're still trying to justify slavery with the fallacy that if something evil causes a desirable outcome, then that thing is not evil.

Traditional slavery provided cheap consumer goods (such as cotton); does that mean we should allow that as well?
Schulich School of Business
York University
ARMY101
#74 Posted : Thursday, December 23, 2010 10:42:38 PM
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mynameismattgotmlgo wrote:
IanSharer wrote:
If humans are generally stupid, what makes you think a bunch of humans acting as the "government" will make the best decisions?


Jesus, man. You try to be difficult.

I think Army phrased that incorrectly, but I think it is pretty obvious what he meant to say: not everyone is smart or considerate of other people. The government tries to ensure that even stupid and/or inconsiderate people act as smart/considerate people do.

Even if he phrased it as he meant it, the government is NOT generally made of people who are stupid.



Right. I didn't think I'd have to specifically define "stupid" for Iansharer. My stupid I simply meant humans don't always see the big picture, don't always look out for their own safety, and they're often too selfish to care about others' safety. That is why we have government, among several other reasons.
ARMY101
#75 Posted : Thursday, December 23, 2010 10:43:34 PM
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IanSharer wrote:
mynameismattgotmlgo wrote:
not everyone is smart or considerate of other people. The government tries to ensure that even stupid and/or inconsiderate people act as smart/considerate people do


Okay, but you're still trying to justify slavery with the fallacy that if something evil causes a desirable outcome, then that thing is not evil.

Traditional slavery provided cheap consumer goods (such as cotton); does that mean we should allow that as well?

GOVERNMENT IS NOT SLAVERY. WE HAVE BEEN OVER THAT IN 3 DIFFERENT THREADS NOW.
mynameismattgotmlgo
#76 Posted : Thursday, December 23, 2010 10:45:54 PM
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IanSharer wrote:
Okay, but you're still trying to justify slavery with the fallacy that if something evil causes a desirable outcome, then that thing is not evil.

Traditional slavery provided cheap consumer goods (such as cotton); does that mean we should allow that as well?


Your logic is so F'ed. Ridiculous.
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IanSharer
#77 Posted : Thursday, December 23, 2010 11:07:45 PM
Rank: Valedictorian




Joined: 12/21/2010
Posts: 549
ARMY101 wrote:
GOVERNMENT IS NOT SLAVERY. WE HAVE BEEN OVER THAT IN 3 DIFFERENT THREADS NOW.


We haven't come to a conclusion. So tell me again how a body that I haven't voted for can take my money and make decisions for me but isn't slavery.

mynameismattgotmlgo wrote:
Your logic is so F'ed. Ridiculous.


What's wrong with it? That's what you're trying to argue, right? That we have a government because it has some positive outcomes. If so, that is a fallacy.
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York University
mynameismattgotmlgo
#78 Posted : Thursday, December 23, 2010 11:14:11 PM
Rank: Student Body President


Joined: 12/22/2010
Posts: 1,330
IanSharer wrote:
mynameismattgotmlgo wrote:
Your logic is so F'ed. Ridiculous.


What's wrong with it? That's what you're trying to argue, right? That we have a government because it has some positive outcomes. If so, that is a fallacy.


You falsely identified government regulations (and taxation, previously) as slavery and then made an argument based on that false identification. This is like saying, "5 degrees Celsius is hot; therefore, you should wear shorts and a t-shirt when it is 5 degrees out."
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Petroleum Engineering Technology diploma, NAIT '13
IanSharer
#79 Posted : Thursday, December 23, 2010 11:19:56 PM
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Joined: 12/21/2010
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mynameismattgotmlgo wrote:
You falsely identified government regulations (and taxation, previously) as slavery and then made an argument based on that false identification. This is like saying, "5 degrees Celsius is hot; therefore, you should wear shorts and a t-shirt when it is 5 degrees out."


Taxation is the ("legal") taking of my money without my consent, which is theft.

The weather is subjective; I may think 5 degrees is appropriate to wear shorts while you may not wear shorts even in 30 degrees. Slavery is not subjective:

Slavery: bondage: the state of being under the control of another person
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York University
mynameismattgotmlgo
#80 Posted : Thursday, December 23, 2010 11:21:11 PM
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Joined: 12/22/2010
Posts: 1,330
IanSharer wrote:
So tell me again how a body that I haven't voted for can take my money and make decisions for me but isn't slavery.


You do realize that you're not the only person on the face of this Earth? Because there are many other people around, there needs to be some administrative body. It's human nature to need some sort of leader(s). Unfortunately, not everyone is going to agree that those leaders are good or the best available. Those people just have to deal with the reality that the majority rules.
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