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What is everyone's thoughts on 'children being children'? Todays children are exposed to a lot more than we were (ironic since most of us are just barely adults hah). Be it sex ed, violence, drugs etc. Is it better that they know these things and are educated in it, or should the age old saying "ignorance is bliss" take priority? Would you say the information to the youth of our children is a boon or a curse? McMaster Engineering 2016 Materials Science and Engineering and Society with a minor in Biochemistry McMaster Enineering 2011 Applied -> Accepted Waterloo Mechanical Engineering 2011 Applied -> Accepted Western Engineering 2011 Applied -> Accepted
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TheMetroidPhysicist wrote: Poor spelling/grammer
Yeah, I hate poor spelling and grammar. ;) McMaster 2015 Bachelor of Health Science
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Quote:Not my society. It's as if you guys flip through a shallow magazine and then judge the rest of society by it. Do you use a computer from the 90s and wear a burlap sack as a shirt? Do you have any piece of new technology (i.e. iphone, kindle)that you don't reallyneed? Media and other people tries to get us to buy things and want to buy things to partake in collective effervescence; after all, few people want to be an "alternative" person. We're taught that we should travel and buy newer computers and bigger homes, when we really don't need it. We can do just find in a small apartment with functioning computers. Quote:Really? Where's your proof? You're right, I made a mistake by saying majority. About 1/3 of Canadians don't have savings, which is still a huge percentage. Link hereQuote:Like university, or a car, or a vacation? Oh wait, but that's what teenagers do. I'm alluding to "buying that shiny, red bike you've been eyeing in that window". Do you need that new toy? Do you need those pants? We view university as being necessary, and to an extent, I agree. Post-secondary education is important because it is supposed to give us knowledge to pursue other forms of employment that will give us status and more money. This is because people view formal institutions as teaching properly, when we know that's not true. There are other ways to learn things, and instead universities and colleges are saying we need "this degree" if we want to do this. They take our money and don't always provide the proper service. University is not as necessary and accessible as we wish it to be. The standards of high school and university have dropped so that everyone can get there and get a better job. But as the quality has dropped, we aren't getting more from it. Not everyone is destined to go to university; though, maybe they can learn a trade of something. Cars aren't necessary unless you're living in a rural part of the country. What's wrong with taking public transportation? Is it not better for the environment and our banks? It's healthier to take the subway, instead of driving. Sure, you can save your money to get things that are important (i.e. university, lodgings), but you don't need absolutely everything. There are still ways you can attain your goal and have savings. Quote:Why is travelling unnecessary? Below you speak of walking from Ottawa to Montreal. If you want to walk to Florida, go ahead, but planes do the job better. Do we need the iPhone or computer? Yes, without technology of this kind we won't survive in today's society (I'm talking about having a phone and internet access, not specifically the iPhone or, say, a MacBook). And before you say that that's exactly what's wrong with society, read below for my response to your "natural is better" argument. Do you need to go to Rome or Paris? Aside for business purposes, we don't need to go elsewhere. It just costs us money and time. Planes help us get from point A to point B faster than walking, but walking is better for our health and the environment. Do you really need to get their quickly? Why is there a time constraint? And you've hit the nail on the head: we need the phone and computer in today's society. But do you need the newest version of the macbook? What's wrong with other computers that are less expensive? I understand that, now, those tools make it easier to access information and communicate with other people, but we do we need to spend hundreds of dollars when we can save that money and get something that achieves the same goal? It would be a lot kinder to our pocketbooks, wouldn't it? It would mean we'd still have other forms of media and money in the bank. My point is: we spend money on things we don't need! Quote:A non-sequitur if there ever was one. You're really going to have to elaborate if you think this is the case. People think that owning many objects makes us happier, but our happiness is finite. Eventually, we grow bored of this new object, and in order to make ourselves happy again, we choose to buy yet another object. We can buy big homes, but we're still going to wish it were better. Maybe we'll move because we want to live in another location, or a different style house, or one with 3 bathrooms instead of 2. If we keep focusing on materials, we're not going to be really happy. Why not save your money and have an apartment that you can live comfortably in? Do you really need a guest bedroom? Quote:Yes, if only we could have another Great Depression to teach the rotten kids of this generation a lesson. Could you not say the same thing about food? It's like saying, "starvation in Africa negatively affects people, causing them to be more conscious (or frugal) with their eating. Why can't we be like them?" Secondly, not everyone, especially the teenagers and young adults of today - the people this whole forum is about - cannot afford to hold $57,000 in the bank account, or anything close to it. We have to pay for school, for instance. I'm not saying we should hope to suffer like those people did, but as a result of suffering they didn't take what they had for granted and were conscious of what they spent. In this world and economy, nothing is safe. We could easily go through another depression (we're still recovering from a recession). But people who were well off (those who had quite a bit of money) were able to live better lives than those who had little money. What I'm saying is, we can learn from them and be more conscious of what we buy. We don't need a lot of the things we're purchasing, and quite frankly, we'd have a lot more money if we didn't spend it on unnecessary items. Really? You don't think so? I admit students and people in the workforce living off of minimum wage may have trouble putting money away, but that doesn't mean there is not a point where they won't have some extra money that they can save instead of spend. Do they need to go to a club and get smashed? Is that the only fun thing you can do? Are there not cheaper alternatives to fun? If you don't have money for something, don't do it until you are confident you can afford it. There are so many people who can have $57,000 in the bank, but don't because they spend it on things they don't need! I'm a 2nd-year university, and I work at a hospital. I've got $13,500 in the bank! I'm more fortunate than others, but that's because I work to go to school and have a living, and I still have fun without spending lots of money. Even with bills to pay, you can still put money in the bank. Can you imagine what we'd do if we didn't have pension? How are people in other countries who don't get pension manage to live without working? Quote:These simpler times your speaking of have been glorified (if anything, this could be a problem with our generation: we're not grateful enough of what technology brings). These simpler times saw people die in their teens because of toothaches. These simpler times saw people die of tsunamis and earthquakes, and no one else in the world would know about them, and therefore not be able to help. Technology can be wonderful, when put to good use. When it's put to bad use (like ruining the lives of farmers), it's not technology that's at fault, it's the people using it. You're mistaking the gun for the murderer.
They may not have lived a life full of information that new technology brings us, but because of technology they don't have a good standard of living because they're busy spending money on technology that doesn't last long enough. It's true that the good ole' days have been over-glorified, but it's not like it was the worst. They didn't have to worry about looking good to please complete strangers. Many people didn't have the money to do dress well, but did they care? They still managed to live happy lives because they weren't buying into materialism. You cannot say that technology has made everyone's lives happier. Technology has helped people learn more so that they can help people. There are a lot of benefits to technological advancements, and yet there also seems to be a lot of useless inventions that are just a drain on our pockets and brains. So you think farmers are making themselves unhappy? They spend more money on technology that is supposed to help them meet a product quota, and then it breaks down or needs something that costs more money. The price of what they work hard for does not return enough money for them to fix or update their systems, and yet every year they're expected to if they want to make a living. I honestly doubt that these farmers are making themselves unhappy, but it's the people selling these machines and governments demanding them to work harder to "benefit" everyone in the country or continent. Technology has helped us in some aspects, but we're focused more on making money than on living healthily. Why not live off the bare minimum? Money doesn't buy happiness, unless it's allowing people to live a life free from financial burden. **Shields** Accepted: University of Toronto: Social Sciences + Vic One (Pearson Stream) Carleton University: Honours Science University of British Columbia: Arts
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While I don't think past generations were any better than us per se, I do believe our generation is particularly bad. Put aside technology, morality, materialism, whatever, yes they all present issues. The core issue is that people no longer bear any responsibility towards themselves or towards others. The majority expect everything to be handed to them without willing to work to achieve it. When they see something they want, they leave it, because it would be too difficult to achieve. They bear no respect for anything they have because they've never had to work to achieve it. People don't aspire to greatness. McMaster 2015 Bachelor of Health Science
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andrewk512 wrote:TheMetroidPhysicist wrote: Poor spelling/grammer
Yeah, I hate poor spelling and grammar. ;) i lol'd
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Jesseyeahh wrote:mynameismattgotmlgo wrote:@ Jesseyeeahh:
Yes, it's way too soon to be making jokes about Japan or even talking about making jokes about Japan. Give it another 6 months, and you'll be good to go. Things get more and more "moral" as time goes on, you see. At this point, the jokes are too real. A lot of people died, you know? Who are you to say that I should just deal with the jokes that some people make about the whole disaster? There's a special place in hell for people like you. But maybe that might even be too good for you. This is ridiculous - I haven't even once made a Japan joke, all I said was that people WILL. And did you even realize what you wrote? You mentioned that making jokes is "too real at this point", but in six months, they will all be okay. How? Will six months have reversed all the death and destruction? No. So what's the point of your comment anyways? The whole jist of what I said was that crying over Japan jokes is useless because they will happen anyways. In the meantime, do what you can from this side of the Pacific to help. Like, an entire country is messed up now for years to come, but somehow the jokes are the most offensive part. For the future, how can I make myself more clear that I'm being sarcastic? BMSc Honours Specialization in Medical Science, Minor in Psychology, UWO '09 Bachelor of Pharmacy, University of Alberta '13 - Drop out as of '11 University Certificate in Finance, Athabasca University '12 Petroleum Engineering Technology diploma, NAIT '13
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lingui wrote:People think that owning many objects makes us happier, but our happiness is finite. Eventually, we grow bored of this new object, and in order to make ourselves happy again, we choose to buy yet another object. We can buy big homes, but we're still going to wish it were better. Maybe we'll move because we want to live in another location, or a different style house, or one with 3 bathrooms instead of 2. If we keep focusing on materials, we're not going to be really happy. Why not save your money and have an apartment that you can live comfortably in? Do you really need a guest bedroom? While I agree with everything you're saying here, one thing that people value almost as much as, or possibly even more than, material objects is being able to aspire. Even when your conditions are good, you still aspire to have better. It's human nature. Telling a person that buying that Ferrari isn't going to make him or her any happier is basically like telling a person before bungee jumping that the line is very secure, so there's no reason to be fearful: while both statements are very likely true, it's human nature to want more and human nature to be fearful of heights. A person's rational mind and his or her emotional mind are not always in line. Kind of a nice idea that doesn't pan out in real life. It'd be nice if I could ignore my subconscious' drive to own a Ferrari, because I know owning one isn't going to make me happier, but I just can't do that. My rational side is at the mercy of my emotional side, and not so much vise versa. BMSc Honours Specialization in Medical Science, Minor in Psychology, UWO '09 Bachelor of Pharmacy, University of Alberta '13 - Drop out as of '11 University Certificate in Finance, Athabasca University '12 Petroleum Engineering Technology diploma, NAIT '13
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I'm not going to respond to a lot of what has been said, because they're small fires not central to the core issue. Anyway, here goes.... lingui wrote:Do you use a computer from the 90s and wear a burlap sack as a shirt? Do you have any piece of new technology (i.e. iphone, kindle)that you don't reallyneed? We're taught that we should travel and buy newer computers and bigger homes, when we really don't need it. We can do just find in a small apartment with functioning computers. lingui wrote:I'm alluding to "buying that shiny, red bike you've been eyeing in that window". Do you need that new toy? Do you need those pants? lingui wrote:Cars aren't necessary unless you're living in a rural part of the country. What's wrong with taking public transportation? Is it not better for the environment and our banks? It's healthier to take the subway, instead of driving. lingui wrote:And you've hit the nail on the head: we need the phone and computer in today's society. But do you need the newest version of the macbook? What's wrong with other computers that are less expensive? I understand that, now, those tools make it easier to access information and communicate with other people, but we do we need to spend hundreds of dollars when we can save that money and get something that achieves the same goal? It would be a lot kinder to our pocketbooks, wouldn't it? It would mean we'd still have other forms of media and money in the bank. My point is: we spend money on things we don't need! lingui wrote:Do you need to go to Rome or Paris? Aside for business purposes, we don't need to go elsewhere. It just costs us money and time. Planes help us get from point A to point B faster than walking, but walking is better for our health and the environment. Do you really need to get their quickly? Why is there a time constraint? You can't be serious about using a computer from 90s.... I have one from around 2005, and it takes around 40 minutes for it to turn on, and a further hour to browse a website. Now, if you want to make an argument against planned obsolescence, I'm all for it, but that's not a problem with technology, but business. And why are you so against travelling? You don't see any benefits to travel besides for business? A lot of what you say is reasonable, but I think you're going too far in suggesting that we off the "bare minimum." As pointed out, that's the sort of lifestyle we see in third-world countries. This is not the life anyone wants to live. lingui wrote:They may not have lived a life full of information that new technology brings us, but because of technology they don't have a good standard of living because they're busy spending money on technology that doesn't last long enough. It's true that the good ole' days have been over-glorified, but it's not like it was the worst. They didn't have to worry about looking good to please complete strangers. Many people didn't have the money to do dress well, but did they care? They still managed to live happy lives because they weren't buying into materialism.
You cannot say that technology has made everyone's lives happier. Technology has helped people learn more so that they can help people. There are a lot of benefits to technological advancements, and yet there also seems to be a lot of useless inventions that are just a drain on our pockets and brains.
Technology has helped us in some aspects, but we're focused more on making money than on living healthily. Why not live off the bare minimum? Money doesn't buy happiness, unless it's allowing people to live a life free from financial burden. As I said, technology can obviously be used unreasonably or immorally, but the solution isn't to revert back to times when there was no technology. You're being too extreme. What I think you're also missing is that life isn't only about needs. People don't just need water, food, shelter, and a mate to get by. Small joys, like music, poetry, partying, books, a nice car (or phone, or bike, or house), are all things that we don't need, but serve to enrich our lives. I would rather have those than $57,000 in savings.
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"Those who complain about our generation forget who raised it." I didn't read any of the posts but would like to share this cool quote.
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An unnecessary amount of dilly dallying and no substance. Don't believe me? Just look at the length of this thread.
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What's wrong with our generation (Spasificaly the elementry and middle school kids behind us, or me) is that I am not even out of high school and I can cliame the words "Back in my day" becuse...
Little kids didn't dress trashy Music had a point to it, not just nothingness
and many more reasons, my question is, have the times really changed? Or are we just mature enough to notice it now?
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Our generation is doomed to failure of epic proportions. I notice about 90% of the kids in my classes are a lil brats. "uhhh I only got an 80 on this test/assignment"....surprise surpise. These kids expect things to just be handed to them rather than good old hard work. I would be lucky if I could name even 5 people in my classes that do optional homework. I'll be honest here, I didn't do it in grade 11. However, I learned really fast how much my work habbits needed to be changed. Now, thanks to doing all the homework and actually re reading notes the night they were taken, I am now succeeding beyond anyone's expectations. All my friends who went off to university are failing right now. Some of these kids are geniuses, however because they don't buckle down and do their homework and concentrate on their studys, they blow it.
Another thing is that most of this generation expects EVERYTHING to revolve around them. "can we move the test to another day cause I have a Calculus test on the same day". Well I'm sorry that you've just been introduced to the REAL world. In univeristy and college, they don't give a crap what test, midterm, or exam you have on the same day. Does your town care that you property taxes are due on the same day that you income tax is due? No they don't. They better get used to it now because its reality. This generation is so pathetic, I am actually ashamed to be a part of it.
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I used to work for a fashion public relations and branding company called "People's Revolution". I asked the CEO why she named her the company that name (I thought maybe she was a communist), since it had nothing to do with the fashion industry, and she said that she happened to believe that the world will only change when we change ourseleves. Stop blaming others for the turnout of our generation and start transforming ourselves. University of Western Ontario Class of 2015 BMOS with AEO Status
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Let's see.
1. Everyone only cares about drugs, alcohol, getting "jobs", and short term solutions to long term problems instead of market solutions.
2. Political correctness
3. Belief in liberalism
4. Dunning-Krueger Effect
5. Lack of critical thinking skills
6. Saturation of universities with liberal arts and business majors, turning the bachelors degree into the associates degree
7. Memorization and rote learning instead of actual understanding
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ashmerko wrote:Racism, lack of respect for the elders, hate that everyone has for each other? All very poor, generalised, unfocused and "classic" issues... none of which harbour the true issues. McGill - Arts
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rightsaidfred wrote:Let's see.
1. Everyone only cares about drugs, alcohol, getting "jobs", and short term solutions to long term problems instead of market solutions. What world do you live in? rightsaidfred wrote:2. Political correctness Has been in no way, shape or form been spawned from our generation. rightsaidfred wrote:3. Belief in liberalism Yeah because that never leads to anything good... rightsaidfred wrote:4. Dunning-Krueger Effect Part of human nature, not specific to us as young people. rightsaidfred wrote:5. Lack of critical thinking skills Speak for yourself rightsaidfred wrote:6. Saturation of universities with liberal arts and business majors, turning the bachelors degree into the associates degree Yes let's all do science degrees and end up with the majority of the science grads working in BUSINESS because my degree isn't the insane job guarantee I thought it was. rightsaidfred wrote:7. Memorization and rote learning instead of actual understanding It's not perfect, but how do you suggest a more efficient testing method? Try again. McGill - Arts
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I love how people think they speak on behalf of their whole generation, when actually they just parrot vague ideas from their own culture. Generation definition: the entire body of individuals born and living at about the same time. That means EVERYWHERE, not just middle class westerners... not just uni hopefuls... everyone the world over in our "generation" group. Our biggest failing, is not recognising this fact. People become so egocentric within their own 'world' and culture that they forget they are part of something much larger, it's easily done, I'm as guilty as anyone of this. Oh and Malibu, that stuff tastes like sh*t. McGill - Arts
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OscarUK wrote:rightsaidfred wrote:Let's see.
1. Everyone only cares about drugs, alcohol, getting "jobs", and short term solutions to long term problems instead of market solutions. What world do you live in? rightsaidfred wrote:2. Political correctness Has been in no way, shape or form been spawned from our generation. rightsaidfred wrote:3. Belief in liberalism Yeah because that never leads to anything good... rightsaidfred wrote:4. Dunning-Krueger Effect Part of human nature, not specific to us as young people. rightsaidfred wrote:5. Lack of critical thinking skills Speak for yourself rightsaidfred wrote:6. Saturation of universities with liberal arts and business majors, turning the bachelors degree into the associates degree Yes let's all do science degrees and end up with the majority of the science grads working in BUSINESS because my degree isn't the insane job guarantee I thought it was. rightsaidfred wrote:7. Memorization and rote learning instead of actual understanding It's not perfect, but how do you suggest a more efficient testing method? Try again. 1. One without that, obviously. 2. Yes it has. 3. It leads to taxation, regulation, lack of freedom, and ignorance. 4. There's no such thing as human nature. There's human behaviour. 5. I'm mostly speaking for people like you now. You seem pretty mad. I think that's the only reason you're addressing me in the first place. You feel personally attacked, and now you're de constructing points on my merit instead of the merit of my points. 6. I am not sure what you're saying here. I am sure, though, that you don't know what you're talking about. 7. Instead of memorization and rote learning, I'd rather people actually understand what they're doing. I don't see how any rational person capable of introspection could disagree with this fact. You've got a lot to learn about the real world, kiddo.
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rightsaidfred wrote: 1. One without that, obviously. 2. Yes it has. 3. It leads to taxation, regulation, lack of freedom, and ignorance. 4. There's no such thing as human nature. There's human behaviour. 5. I'm mostly speaking for people like you now. You seem pretty mad. I think that's the only reason you're addressing me in the first place. You feel personally attacked, and now you're de constructing points on my merit instead of the merit of my points. 6. I am not sure what you're saying here. I am sure, though, that you don't know what you're talking about. 7. Instead of memorization and rote learning, I'd rather people actually understand what they're doing. I don't see how any rational person capable of introspection could disagree with this fact.
You've got a lot to learn about the real world, kiddo.
You like your numbered lists huh. 1. Everyone only cares about drugs, alcohol, getting "jobs" - Yes, everyone. You are totally correct and there is no way anyone could possibly disagree with this all encompassing summary of our generation. I like how you've put the word jobs in such an ironic manner too, like they are such a fantastical idea. 2. We, the young people of this world came up with political correctness did we? And we; the young, rebellious, drug taking, alcohol fueled young people are the victims are we? Didn't think so. 3. Liberalism leads to "taxation, regulation, lack of freedom, and ignorance". I think you should read more. 4. "There's no such thing as human nature. There's human behaviour" - nature vs nurture huh? Why do all babies cry when they experience certain emotions/feelings? 5. I feel nothing but sorry for your lack of ability to comprehend the world around you, attack me all you like... I actually enjoy you trying. 6. Good defence. 7. How very liberal of you. So please, teach me about my "real world" I'd love to hear about it. McGill - Arts
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Makes it easy for simpletons like you to understand my points.
1. You have Asperger Syndrome. 2. Political correctness didn't exist before you were born. It'll be carried on by the young people of this generation who were brought up with it - we, us, them will be continuing it. 3. I seriously think you should read more. You honestly know nothing about politics. Some dude from the UK, what's basically becoming a nanny/police state, is telling ME what liberalism is? Wow. 4. Because that's all babies can do. 5. So then you're admitting you're a troll. Reported and ignored. 6. Thank you. 7. No. How rational of me.
I'm trying to teach you right now. You're not listening. Anyway, ignored/reported. Not replying to your posts anymore.
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