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should the death penalty be? Options
Stranger
#21 Posted : Tuesday, May 24, 2011 12:38:22 AM
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Death penalty: No. Innocent people have been killed through the death penalty. :/ Also, some criminals also have mental illnesses and need psychiatric help.
Marijuana: Legalize... I don't think they're worse than cigarettes..
Prostitution: Their decision.
Intelligent design: Nah.. Well, maybe if it's for a religions course and is presented as a theory not fact.
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JNBirDy
#22 Posted : Tuesday, May 24, 2011 3:03:16 AM
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ARMY101 wrote:

LMAO. I'm agnostic. Science class can teach evolution. That doesn't mean an alternate theory doesn't hold any weight.



pj2121 wrote:
^^^^True other theories should be examined. But in order to accept intelligent design you have to believe in God which is an issue on its own. Therefore it shouldn't be taught in bio class and is not necessary. Darwin's theory, though not perfect, has proof to back it up (vestigial structures etc.).

I think "sadly" was hoping you would be a hard core christian or something and start debating about god and religion.



onlymatthew wrote:

Teaching intelligent design: Certainly shouldn't be the greatest concern of the education system. I feel that if it were added, educators would have to be even more careful in how they present evolution and intelligent design. I don't think it would hurt the students to know both theories, since they have large presences in the scientific community, but I feel that if it were taught in a science class, it should be devoid of any religious attachment. And this is coming from someone who is quite religious.


How exactly can intelligent design be taught without 'religious attachment'?

Stranger wrote:

Intelligent design: Nah.. Well, maybe if it's for a religions course and is presented as a theory not fact.


Absolutely shocked at how many people in this thread do not know what scientific theory means. How did you people get into university - especially into science programs?

Taken right from wikipedia:

"A scientific theory comprises a collection of concepts, including abstractions of observable phenomena expressed as quantifiable properties, together with rules (called scientific laws) that express relationships between observations of such concepts. A scientific theory is constructed to conform to available empirical data about such observations, and is put forth as a principle or body of principles for explaining a class of phenomena."

How exactly is intelligent design a theory? There is absolutely no proof that a god exists nor that one created everything in the universe.

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And to answer the topic...
Death Penalty - Never
Marijuana - Legal, taxed
Prostitution - Legal, Controlled
Intelligent Design - Taught in religion classes alongside creation - NEVER in a science class.
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Stranger
#23 Posted : Tuesday, May 24, 2011 4:17:25 AM
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*facepalm* I specifically didn't say scientific theory to imply that the idea of intelligent design is merely an idea... a conjecture... a theory. :P
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JNBirDy
#24 Posted : Tuesday, May 24, 2011 5:18:17 AM
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Stranger wrote:
*facepalm* I specifically didn't say scientific theory to imply that the idea of intelligent design is merely an idea... a conjecture... a theory. :P


Sorry I suppose.
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pj2121
#25 Posted : Tuesday, May 24, 2011 3:16:55 PM
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JNBirDy wrote:



pj2121 wrote:
^^^^True other theories should be examined. But in order to accept intelligent design you have to believe in God which is an issue on its own. Therefore it shouldn't be taught in bio class and is not necessary. Darwin's theory, though not perfect, has proof to back it up (vestigial structures etc.).





I guess thats basically what i meant sorry i didnt make it clear. I stated in general that other theories should be examined. I did not say that intelligent design was a scientific theory but still its a "theory" albeit a scientific one.

Not all scientific theories follow phenomenon with empirical data ex. the big bang theory, theory of relativity (thought experiments and no empirical data to prove time is not a constant).
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prmly
#26 Posted : Tuesday, May 24, 2011 10:17:21 PM
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Death penalty: No. Apart from the flaws in the legal system (killing the wrong person), the state shouldn't have the power to legally kill its own citizens.
Marijuana: I'm for the decriminalization of all drugs. We should look to Portugal as an example.
Hookers: Yes. We, as individuals or a society, don't have the right to tell anyone what they can and cannot do with their bodies.
Teaching intelligent design: In religion/philosophy courses, yes. In science courses, no.
pj2121
#27 Posted : Thursday, May 26, 2011 3:14:14 PM
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VictorNgo wrote:
pj2121 wrote:
JNBirDy wrote:



pj2121 wrote:
^^^^True other theories should be examined. But in order to accept intelligent design you have to believe in God which is an issue on its own. Therefore it shouldn't be taught in bio class and is not necessary. Darwin's theory, though not perfect, has proof to back it up (vestigial structures etc.).





I guess thats basically what i meant sorry i didnt make it clear. I stated in general that other theories should be examined. I did not say that intelligent design was a scientific theory but still its a "theory" albeit a scientific one.

Not all scientific theories follow phenomenon with empirical data ex. the big bang theory, theory of relativity (thought experiments and no empirical data to prove time is not a constant).


Maybe I'm misinterpreting you, but are you suggesting there exists no empirical data to validate the Big Bang Theory and the Theory of Relativity?


Yeah ignore that. lol I was talkin out of my a$$ on tht one.
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Raminder
#28 Posted : Saturday, May 28, 2011 5:17:10 AM
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Interesting topics!!!

Death Penalty- I think both the death penalty and euthanasia are controversial measures of death. In my personal opinion, I don't feel like the death penalty would suffice for anything. Killing someone does not punish them, but their families. At the end of the day, the person that was at fault will not be suffering at all by having their life taken away - the only moments they will suffer are the mere moments before death. One could say that they believe all murderers, rapists etc... should be killed but again it brings in perspective of WHO is really punished. If someone is found to be NOT-guilty for a certain offense, then it puts a more detrimental outlook upon the government and those who performed the actions possibly getting them in more trouble (even though I guess the government would bend the rules in their favour like always). For example the execution of Saddam Hussein was looked upon as glorious to many of us here in North America, but a lot of people in the Middle East were probably horrified to see that happen; therefore, they suffered - not him. I'm Canadian, so we have no death penalty here. Look at Richard Hatch, you go to jail if you don't pay taxes, and pay taxes to have people in jail - LOL. In all seriousness though, no one knows where their money is going anyways. We have very different governments in both Canada and the USA. It's kind of hard to determine where else the money would go though, or how they would get money to imprison someone. Honestly, I would rather have them do something productive in third world countries teaching them something about the lives they were PROBABLY grateful to have - so many people lash out of spite because of childhood. Regardless though, it would be a benefit for everyone if they did something productive other than trying to "spoon" themselves out of there, or sitting on their ass in their own crap.

Marijuana - I think that it should remain illegal because if it was legalized the economy would fluctuate dramatically, and there would be so many less offenses for the police to base their days around. They make so much money charging people. At the end of the day, I don't smoke so I don't think I would care THAT much unless it changed my community dramatically. I'm from B.C so it would probably cause a major outbreak and gateway. If they legalize marijuana, I think people would probably push to legalize other drugs for "benefit".

Prostitution - I think what someone wants to do with their life is their choice entirely. If someone is happy having sex with random strangers, it is only affecting them and no one else directly. It may affect their families, but they are doing what makes them happy. If it's just for money, I think there are other ways to obtain it. Of course it's hard to find a job nowadays, but being miserable and selling yourself isn't the way out; to the contrary, if you are enjoying it- go with it. If you can't find a job, honestly McDonald's is on every damn block and always hiring - in Canada at least! It looks better on your resume ? kidding

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Zion
#29 Posted : Saturday, May 28, 2011 1:10:36 PM
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Raminder wrote:
Marijuana - I think that it should remain illegal because if it was legalized the economy would fluctuate dramatically, and there would be so many less offenses for the police to base their days around. They make so much money charging people. At the end of the day, I don't smoke so I don't think I would care THAT much unless it changed my community dramatically. I'm from B.C so it would probably cause a major outbreak and gateway. If they legalize marijuana, I think people would probably push to legalize other drugs for "benefit".

Prostitution - I think what someone wants to do with their life is their choice entirely. If someone is happy having sex with random strangers, it is only affecting them and no one else directly. It may affect their families, but they are doing what makes them happy. If it's just for money, I think there are other ways to obtain it. Of course it's hard to find a job nowadays, but being miserable and selling yourself isn't the way out; to the contrary, if you are enjoying it- go with it. If you can't find a job, honestly McDonald's is on every damn block and always hiring - in Canada at least! It looks better on your resume ? kidding

Yes, prostitutes are prostitutes because it "makes them happy." I hope you're being sarcastic, because otherwise you've contradicted yourself. You say prostitution should be legal and marijuana illegal. So "what someone wants to do with their life is their choice entirely," unless we can make money off of imprisoning them for it?
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Raminder
#30 Posted : Saturday, May 28, 2011 4:24:12 PM
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Zion wrote:
Raminder wrote:
Marijuana - I think that it should remain illegal because if it was legalized the economy would fluctuate dramatically, and there would be so many less offenses for the police to base their days around. They make so much money charging people. At the end of the day, I don't smoke so I don't think I would care THAT much unless it changed my community dramatically. I'm from B.C so it would probably cause a major outbreak and gateway. If they legalize marijuana, I think people would probably push to legalize other drugs for "benefit".

Prostitution - I think what someone wants to do with their life is their choice entirely. If someone is happy having sex with random strangers, it is only affecting them and no one else directly. It may affect their families, but they are doing what makes them happy. If it's just for money, I think there are other ways to obtain it. Of course it's hard to find a job nowadays, but being miserable and selling yourself isn't the way out; to the contrary, if you are enjoying it- go with it. If you can't find a job, honestly McDonald's is on every damn block and always hiring - in Canada at least! It looks better on your resume ? kidding

Yes, prostitutes are prostitutes because it "makes them happy." I hope you're being sarcastic, because otherwise you've contradicted yourself. You say prostitution should be legal and marijuana illegal. So "what someone wants to do with their life is their choice entirely," unless we can make money off of imprisoning them for it?



Well, I just have different views on them entirely. Prostitution is involving people, and marijuana is not (in the sense that the PRODUCT is not human). I get what you're saying entirely.

Drug trafficking isn't something that should be legal in MY opinion because you are pursuing something illegal.There are many medical issues for which marijuana is legal which I am in the positive for. I think if it's going to be sold LEGALLY then it should be sold only by the government, and penalties for those caught trafficking should remain the same. I guess, yes, it "makes them happy" but they are scamming at the end of the day for not being able to compensate other ways / obtain money legally. Majority of people work legally for their money and work their ass off, other than growing a plant in their basement and selling it for "the easy way out". Sex isn't illegal, so you should be able to do it with whoever you want, whenever you want. It's not entirely illegal in Las Vegas, so why is it everywhere else for all situations? That makes no sense. You can have a "brothel" with legal prostitutes, in only one state? I don't know if there are more states that have legal forms of it - I'm Canadian.

I think that if marijuana is legalized, then it will affect the future generations to come because they will find it more appealing than other things. For people that are still developing, marijuana is not healthy because there are increased health worries that occur - eg. asthma,depression, and sometimes even lung cancer. People will start lacing all marijuana as it will become addictive(in your mind) and available for everyone ( I think ) - which would lead to controversy about other drugs. If they are going to legalize, once again, it should be under the government/ government run stores and have a legal age to pursue that - in my opinion, with charges/ imprisonment after being convicted, if so. After a certain age, it would be your choice whether or not you want to harm yourself.

Drug dealing leads to so many other things like: gangs, death, drive-by's, kidnappings. Those are all thing that will remain illegal, so marijuana seems like a gateway to become ULTRA competitive and undergo a certain mind set to pursue actions of: shooting, stabbing etc.. Not all drug dealers do that, but with the competitive attitudes and trafficking going on, it is the only way they are able to get rid of their competition and make more money. I've seen this first hand, I'm not just saying it - so there is a possibility of this always happening. There's a difference between SMOKING it and DEALING it. It's so hard to get out of the market after because people are often after you to kill you when "deceiving" them.

Therefore, smoking it to "make you happy" once in awhile, or everyday (I could care less) is cool in my opinion if you were to obtain it LEGALLY, but the thought of legalizing it for people to sell, and have a "free for all" should be illegal. Metaphorically, it's like allowing your children to drink under your supervision, but they can't go out and buy it from the liquor store.

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Zion
#31 Posted : Saturday, May 28, 2011 7:00:39 PM
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You've made a pretty good argument. I think that marijuana should only be legalized if it's sold by the government as well, mostly because of lacing issues. It's still healthier than tobacco and alcohol though (assuming a certain "purity"), so I think it should be permitted with the appropriate regulations (possibly age restrictions). Drugs like cocaine and heroin I don't support for legalization though.

With prostitution, I just have a gut feeling that it's "wrong." But you're right, there's nothing inherently illegal or immoral about consentual about sex. I also think that most prostitutes are prostitutes because they feel they have no other alternatives though. If it was legalized it would only make it easier for society to give up on them, and for them to give up on themselves.

They're difficult issues. But I guess we both agree that people should only have so many freedoms before they start to infringe upon those of others.
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HeroOfCanton
#32 Posted : Saturday, May 28, 2011 7:39:43 PM
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Raminder wrote:
Marijuana - I think that it should remain illegal because if it was legalized the economy would fluctuate dramatically, and there would be so many less offenses for the police to base their days around. They make so much money charging people. At the end of the day, I don't smoke so I don't think I would care THAT much unless it changed my community dramatically. I'm from B.C so it would probably cause a major outbreak and gateway. If they legalize marijuana, I think people would probably push to legalize other drugs for "benefit".

This argument doesn't sit well with me. The police shouldn't function as a corporation - something shouldn't be charged as a crime just because it is profitable to do so. If they spent less time charging people for marijuana possession, then they could investigate more serious crimes, and the courts would run more efficiently.
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Raminder
#33 Posted : Saturday, May 28, 2011 8:16:07 PM
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HeroOfCanton wrote:
Raminder wrote:
Marijuana - I think that it should remain illegal because if it was legalized the economy would fluctuate dramatically, and there would be so many less offenses for the police to base their days around. They make so much money charging people. At the end of the day, I don't smoke so I don't think I would care THAT much unless it changed my community dramatically. I'm from B.C so it would probably cause a major outbreak and gateway. If they legalize marijuana, I think people would probably push to legalize other drugs for "benefit".

This argument doesn't sit well with me. The police shouldn't function as a corporation - something shouldn't be charged as a crime just because it is profitable to do so. If they spent less time charging people for marijuana possession, then they could investigate more serious crimes, and the courts would run more efficiently.



I understand what you're saying, it's just how I see it. The government / police have no other way of really making money other than ticketing people for other things, that of course, put people in danger. I find it pathetic that that is one of the main ways to obtain billions of dollars, but like I said below that I believe in charging people for drug trafficking. I said why I thought that that was right.Smoking a "j" I don't really find there is a legitimate enough reason to charge for. I clarified myself below as to what I thought would be right. (This isn't meant to sound bitchy!)



@ Zion - I know what you mean about the "gut" feeling. I feel that way as well, but I guess everyone has limitations as to what they're comfortable with. I think a lot of women do it for money as well because that's how its always been so sex becomes a drug for them, and habitual. They just keep digging themselves in a hole, and I think it could be the same way with drug dealing.

I don't know if you guys saw this article? But, I learned about it in my Soci Crim class. Pretty interesting: http://www.japantoday.co...inity-to-pay-for-tuition

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MadSalty
#34 Posted : Wednesday, June 01, 2011 12:37:47 PM
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The death penalty is wrong.
SUMmer123456
#35 Posted : Thursday, June 02, 2011 3:32:02 PM
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MadSalty wrote:
The death penalty is wrong.


Care to elaborate?
Goodman
#36 Posted : Sunday, June 19, 2011 5:53:36 PM
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Death penalty: In the case of first degree murder. Looked at case by case.

Prostitution: Well, prostitution is already legal in Canada. Which is a common misconception. It's just that most of the activities surrounding it are illegal. There is a case moving through appeals right now in Ontario where sex workers are trying to have the surrounding laws struck down because they make a legal profession inherently dangerous, very interesting.

Marijuana: Go for it, legalize, tax.

Intelligent design: I don't know what it is.
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BudsFan94
#37 Posted : Friday, July 29, 2011 10:38:42 PM
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Death Penalty- No, its costly for taxpayers and personally I dont believe in the eye for an an philosophy.

Marijuana- Keep it illegal, personal moral/ethical reasons

Prostitution: Yes, one of the worlds oldest trade industries, however there needs to be intense government regulation on it. Prostitutes need to be safe and disease free, establish a red light district.

Teaching Intelligent Design: Sure go for it. If you want to look at it in Science class even I wouldnt really mind. As long as you dont go into detail with it in science class and use the teaching of intelligent design to bring out debate within the classroom and challenge students to become critical thinkers then I think its a very good thing to teach.
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karbear32
#38 Posted : Saturday, July 30, 2011 1:43:23 PM
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Death penalty: absolutely legalise. only if they did horrific
unimaginable crimes they are 100% guilty for.

Marijuana : i think they should do a trial run like the HST. See
if it goes well then everyone vote. I think it might stop a lot of gang
violence but it needs to be very restricted to certain areas.

prostitution: legalise. Having it illegal makes it dangerous for them, sure
maybe they shouldn't do it but if they are let's make it legal in restricted areas.

Teaching intelligent design: NEVER EVER EVER SHOULD BE TAUGHT IN A CLASS.
if they start teaching the bible they will have teach every religion to make it fair.
There is absolutely not one thing that could prove their is a god, why would they teach it?
I'm agnostic, so who knows? There could be a Lady Gaga impersonator on Mars
who sings Irish folk music. Oh should we teach that to? It's possible and is equally as likely
as religion.
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DoctorLawyerDentist
#39 Posted : Saturday, July 30, 2011 10:18:38 PM
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Death Penalty: No. Never. Not even worth considering.
- Costs go up due to a tide of new legal issues, mainly to prevent the next:
- Risk of killing an innocent human. Life in prison gives them a chance.
- Does not benefit society more than prison time

Marijuana: No. Whether or not it is physically less harmful (less harmful is still harmful), the psychological effects, and its association with other drugs makes it much more dangerous to people's lives than alcohol or tobacco.

Prostitution: No. I don't care if they don't mind having warts on their genitals, the spread of STDs can not be easily prevented (we're seriously not trusting everyone to use condoms right?).

Intelligent Design in science: lol

Intelligent Design in religious studies: Yes. As long as the Designer was me, in front of a wall of neon green tv sets showing infinitely more walls of green tv sets, showing a man with a black suit and black cape and black sunglasses.

edit: My last point was unclear. If we're going to add creationism to the curriculum, we're also going to have to fit in all the other creation theories as well, and a religion course should be about more than just creation.
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#40 Posted : Sunday, July 31, 2011 1:56:34 PM
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ARMY101 wrote:
onlymatthew wrote:
pj2121 wrote:
Just to point out that money isnt saved from the death penalty, in the states, as this article points out. http://www.economist.com/node/13279051


Whoa, coming into this thread, I thought that keeping someone in jail for life was way more expensive than executing someone with the death penalty! Good link, that changes my mind then, I think the penalty should be legalized then.

Death Penalty: legalized.


The only reason the death penalty is more expensive is because defence lawyers try to delay their client's penalty for years. They file appeal after appeal, motion after motion. Of course after millions in legal bills it's going to be more expensive than feeding someone.

The average prisoner costs about $60,000 a year to house, cloth, feed, etc. A bullet costs a few cents. Take away the legal appeals and the death penalty is much cheaper than housing someone for life.


Are you going to continue to deny that you are unintelligent after this post?

The appeals process is suppose to determine (by rigorous review) whether or not there were any legal errors made by the lower courts during the trial. Sometimes courts just get the law wrong. And specifically, in the US, defendants in criminal trials have the right to legal appeals at the state trial court level, and also at the federal district court level (writ of habeas corpus.)

That you want to abolish the appeals process speaks volumes about you. We (meaning the West in general) are governed by the rule of law – we aren’t savages.
Please stop telling people you are a law student.
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