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I am thinking of going into computer science however I have never programmed before. I just know that I love computers, and I love video games, software, typing a lot. And most of all Math is my favorite subject. However, How is the future like in Programming, Software engineering. I have heard that a lot of these jobs are outsourced to India and China, where its cheaper.
Will it be hard to find a job as a programmer, and if can an electrical/computer engineering work in the IT industry maybe networking or programming?
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Not hard to find a job in this industry if you have decent experience. Even if you have none, many startups are willing to hire students. Great learning experience overall. So it's not just big companies that are in the software realm, startups are a big thing nowadays. You won't hear much about outsourcing because people these days look for quick iterations. This means lots of interaction between coworkers, breaking down unnecessary borders such as people working from far away places. UW Software Engineering 2015Check out my blog, where I talk about school, coop terms, and other random stuff :)
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aimango wrote:Not hard to find a job in this industry if you have decent experience. Even if you have none, many startups are willing to hire students. Great learning experience overall. So it's not just big companies that are in the software realm, startups are a big thing nowadays. You won't hear much about outsourcing because people these days look for quick iterations. This means lots of interaction between coworkers, breaking down unnecessary borders such as people working from far away places. Oh So how has Software engineering been for you? Like the Co-op placement? Was it difficult to find placement first year? Do you know any computer/electrical/mechanical engineers that find placement easily? How much money do you make? Does it actually help with loans/osap/tuition? Should I go to waterloo for engineering? It will cost me about $20 000 a year with tution for residence and financially I am restricted and I don't think I can afford it. That amount for 5 years will top almost $100 000. Should I go somewhere more local like UofT or ryerson, or UOIT? They are all accredited and have wonderful internships, and co-op i believe. In addition, if I want to pursue a career in this field, should I have taken computer science in highschool because right now I have no programming experience. Is it difficult to learn? The reason why I didn't take compsci was because I didn't know it was programming. I thought it was something else. I think I can get into programming. Would it be difficult even if I go to a university where it starts from scratch.
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sascer520 wrote: Should I go to waterloo for engineering? It will cost me about $20 000 a year with tution for residence and financially I am restricted and I don't think I can afford it. That amount for 5 years will top almost $100 000. Should I go somewhere more local like UofT or ryerson, or UOIT? They are all accredited and have wonderful internships, and co-op i believe.
In addition, if I want to pursue a career in this field, should I have taken computer science in highschool because right now I have no programming experience. Is it difficult to learn? The reason why I didn't take compsci was because I didn't know it was programming. I thought it was something else. I think I can get into programming. Would it be difficult even if I go to a university where it starts from scratch.
You should go where you can afford to go. If you live in the GTA, go to Ryerson or U of T. You won't do well if you're stressed out over finances. A lot of students go into engineering or comp sci with little to no programming experience. At my high school you couldn't have even taken a comp sci course if you wanted to. The programming course will start with the basics. That being said it should be pretty easy to find a free online course and teach yourself to get ahead.
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As for outsourcing, the kind of jobs that get outsourced are those that you get after getting a college diploma, like web design, graphic design, tech support and basic coding/software testing etc. The kind of computer science job that a university graduate would get isn't really being outsourced and so the job market should be pretty good.
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Seriously, just go look on workopolis, there are over 500 listing in Toronto alone. Computer Science is an extremely employable field. Applied to:
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sascer520 wrote:aimango wrote:Not hard to find a job in this industry if you have decent experience. Even if you have none, many startups are willing to hire students. Great learning experience overall. So it's not just big companies that are in the software realm, startups are a big thing nowadays. You won't hear much about outsourcing because people these days look for quick iterations. This means lots of interaction between coworkers, breaking down unnecessary borders such as people working from far away places. Oh So how has Software engineering been for you? Like the Co-op placement? Was it difficult to find placement first year? Do you know any computer/electrical/mechanical engineers that find placement easily? How much money do you make? Does it actually help with loans/osap/tuition? Should I go to waterloo for engineering? It will cost me about $20 000 a year with tution for residence and financially I am restricted and I don't think I can afford it. That amount for 5 years will top almost $100 000. Should I go somewhere more local like UofT or ryerson, or UOIT? They are all accredited and have wonderful internships, and co-op i believe. In addition, if I want to pursue a career in this field, should I have taken computer science in highschool because right now I have no programming experience. Is it difficult to learn? The reason why I didn't take compsci was because I didn't know it was programming. I thought it was something else. I think I can get into programming. Would it be difficult even if I go to a university where it starts from scratch. It's been great. Getting a placement in first-year was okay, I tried to apply to big companies and more senior jobs which was a mistake. Ended up with a QA job unfortunately, but at a pretty good small company. Once you have your first job though (no matter dev or QA), it's must easier to find your second. Right now I'm on my 2nd, it's a dev job and I love it. I feel super satisfied every time I get something to work, and that's why I like CS. You can end up creating some really cool stuff. Comp and electrical placement rates aren't bad, they have less jobs to choose from but their rate is pretty good from what I know. Mech rates aren't as great, but they do end up reaching pretty much 100% in upper years. In terms of money, most placements base it on which co-op term you're on. Some companies look at the average chart given by our school job system, others just give a standard salary that they always give interns. In first year, you can expect to make 15$/hour, that is the average rate for Engineering. It does help with tuition and loans, although as you get into your upper years, your OSAP estimate will be lowered by a lot. I'm telling you, it's worth it. Take Waterloo over UofT. They do have internships but you have to wait later down the road to start the internship. Of course you can always just apply by yourself in the summer, but Waterloo has the name and the resources to guide you to getting that first job, then that second, then that third, etc. It's just so much easier finding the job you want after that. Usually you will be make enough money to cover most of your tuition and rent for the following term. I recommend taking CS in HS as a starting point. Every HS has a different curriculum they go by, and you should expect the teaching methods/styles to be much different in university. But learning it from 1 perspective is better than not knowing what it is at all. THis will save you in the long run if you find out much later that you actually don't like CS (it happens). For my program, they expect you to have at least SOME CS background. This doesn't mean you have to take CS in HS. You can learn programming on your own if you're really interested (online tutorials all over the place). UW Software Engineering 2015Check out my blog, where I talk about school, coop terms, and other random stuff :)
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sascer520 wrote:I am thinking of going into computer science however I have never programmed before. I just know that I love computers, and I love video games, software, typing a lot. And most of all Math is my favorite subject. However, How is the future like in Programming, Software engineering. I have heard that a lot of these jobs are outsourced to India and China, where its cheaper.
Will it be hard to find a job as a programmer, and if can an electrical/computer engineering work in the IT industry maybe networking or programming?
If math and computer science are your passions, pursue them, regardless out the employment prospects. Don't get stuck doing something you don't enjoy. Programming is a tool of a computer scientist; programmers that can't think or reason about their code are the ones being outsourced to India. There is plenty of need for routine programming and really difficult stuff. You're probably going to want to do the latter--it's more interesting. That being said, finding work in the IT industry is quite easy. If you're doing what you love, you'll be better at what you do, and you'll be more than able to compete. It's quite the surging field.
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greygoose wrote:That being said, finding work in the IT industry is quite easy. If you're doing what you love, you'll be better at what you do, and you'll be more than able to compete. It's quite the surging field. Finding a job that needs you to have programming experience or knowledge, is like finding hay....in a haystack. Everyone's trying to get into e-commerce now, and making good functional websites, knowing CSS, HTML, php, javascript and learning to use a database are really useful skills, regardless of what degree you pursue. At least knowing CSS and HTML and either php or javascript is useful, it'll open up a lot more doors for you. Peer Help Line Laurier - Student Connect Executive
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If you want to make career in computer field and want to become a programmer then at first you should learn programming language like C, C++ etc.. C is a base of all languages. So you shold learn at first C language. Career Coaching Dublin
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Find a job in computer science field is not more difficult. If your command on language is good then you select software field. There are many region in computer science you can choose one of them according your profile. The competition is huge and growth also rapidly in this field. Now a days there are many job providing sites you choose one of them and make your career brig
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Well, that is in fact in-demand position and you can still jobs within the fields. Superbuzz.ca offers low cost web design
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Computer science course is really the best option to choose as a bright career option. If you have a computer science degree and good knowledge of computer and all programming languages then you can easily get a job in this field. Because nowadays this field becomes more popular and there are many sources for getting a job in this field.
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There are many software dev jobs and not enough good devs/engineers. If you become a good dev/engineer, then you're set because good engineers are in demand.
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