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The PBSN answers your questions about Western, Ivey and Business Options
onlymatthew
#21 Posted : Sunday, May 06, 2012 9:01:04 PM
Rank: Valedictorian




Joined: 12/24/2010
Posts: 643
pbsnJoanna wrote:
Hi guys,

My name is Joanna and I'm the current VP of Communications at PBSN. I'm in charge of heading the overall marketing strategy for the upcoming year as well as engaging old and new students at Western! For anyone looking to go into any of the Economics modules, I can lend a helping hand. I'm also an exec on a number of clubs at Western so if you're interested in getting involved or want to know how that whole process works, you can ask me! Any general questions about PBSN or student life are welcome as well.


You're wonderful. cat
pbsnNicola
#22 Posted : Monday, May 07, 2012 12:39:14 AM
Rank: Frosh


Joined: 5/3/2012
Posts: 2
redtunapanda wrote:
Hi,

For the exec that's in Biomedical Science (sorry I can't find your name), how do you find maintaining the 80% and the modules etc.? What were your science marks going into university?

Also, my bio teacher right now is saying that in university, you have to be super specific, so she's taking off marks if we don't write the words she wants. Is this true for university?

Thanks!


Hi redtunapanda,

Maintaining an 80% average isn't easy, but as per usual it really depends on the amount of work that you put in. A lot (seriously, a ridiculous amount) of time needs to be spent learning the material, but the concepts aren't necessarily difficult. Honestly, put in the work and time and give it your all, and you'll be fine. You'll obviously sometimes have to sacrifice going out with your floor or whatever so you can study, but the material isn't a huge jump from high school.

In high school I was in the IB program so my marks were a little different, but depending on the scale used to convert them my marks were in the low to mid 90s. They repeat a lot of the bio/chem concepts learned in high school, although they go more in depth. In university you're only going to need to worry about being specific in biology, and that's more about critical thinking and the big picture as opposed to memorizing concepts. You'd need to know the word to answer the question, but you won't be given marks for having the word in your answer. Usually it's a MC asking about, for example, how Elysia and Vaucheria relate to photosynthesis, and if you didn't know what an Elysia or a Vaucheria was and how they worked, you wouldn't be able to answer the question.

That may be a little convoluted, but it you have any more questions feel free to ask or just message me on Facebook!

Nicola McILwrick
VP Finance

pbsnSid
#23 Posted : Monday, May 07, 2012 2:14:50 PM
Rank: Frosh


Joined: 4/30/2012
Posts: 5
VladimirB wrote:
Hey,

I am a grade 11 student interested in Ivey AEO :)

I am considering doing financial modelling for my first two years at Western. Can any of the execs comment on the difficulty of maintaining an 80%+ avg for HBA1, is it good for private equity/ IBD / hedge fund as a double degree with HBA, etc?

Thanks


Heya,

Maintaining 80+ should be very achievable if you make good course choices and put in some work. Even if you do financial modeling you will have a lot of electives in your first year, so choose courses you feel you like and are able to do well in.

If you do a double degree, in your second year you have to take 4.0 math courses and Business 2257; I can't comment on the difficulty of second year as I am not done it yet. However, I talked to the department of applied mathematics and was told that Calculus 1501 is as hard as a math course will get. I was able to do well in that course by putting in a bit of work, so I'm optimistic of the future :)

As far "goodness" towards your career: A lot of financial services jobs explicitly state the necessity of a business degree, math degree, or both. Also, since the core of financial services is making predictions though models, a deep understanding of models and the math behind them will help greatly, both in getting into the company and staying there.

Financial modelling is a relatively new program at Western so I'm happy to see so much interest in it; it's like watching my baby grow...except it's not my baby...but it's alright.

Hope that helps!

-Sid
JR24
#24 Posted : Monday, May 07, 2012 3:19:16 PM
Rank: Senior Student




Joined: 4/9/2012
Posts: 131
pbsnArtur wrote:
Hello StudentAwards forumers!

My name is Artur Tsurkan and I am a first-year student at Western University studying Political Science (Honours) with Advanced Entry Opportunity (AEO) to the Richard Ivey School of Business. I am also the incoming president at the Pre-Business Students' Network (PBSN).

About PBSN
PBSN is a student organization at Western that promotes initiatives and events for students at the university to develop their interest in business and connect with like-minded students. We cater to both AEO and non-AEO students at Western, providing a network that is not exclusive to a particular major. You'll see that, especially within our executive, our members come from a wide range of backgrounds.

We aim to be actively involved with incoming students at Western. One of our initiatives has been the PBSN summer dinners. They take place all over Canada (last year: Toronto, Mississauga, Calgary, Ottawa and Vancouver). We invite our exec, AEOs and Ivey to speak with incoming students and answer any questions you may have. In the past they have been very successful. We'll be releasing details later on our Facebook page.

Anyways, with all of that background shenanigans aside. Why are we here? Many of us used this forum when applying to universities and found it to provide a wealth of information. I am personally reaching out as a first year student as a potential resource who you can ask questions. I've also invited my executive to introduce themselves and join in the process.

About Me
Just to give you guys a bit of background. Last year, I also applied to Rotman (BComm), Schulich (iBBA), Queen's (BComm), Laurier (BBA) and Waterloo Computer Science (BMath), and was fortunate to get into all of these schools. My top 6 average was about 94% and my extra-curriculars included being part of my school Robotics Team, Varsity Tennis, Debate Society, extensive part-time work involvement (roughly 3 years worth at a local logistics firm) and volunteering work as a summer time junior tennis coach at a local tennis club.

Feel free to ask us about Western, Ivey, AEO, business schools in Canada, jobs, etc. We are looking forward to your questions and hope that myself and my team can be a useful resource for you.

Disclaimer: The PBSN does not officially represent Western University or the Richard Ivey School of Business. All sentiments expressed in and outside this forum are purely the personal opinions of the respective students.




Hi Arthur, I am planning to attend (70% right now) UWO Political Science + AEO for the fall of 2012. I am still debating whether I should switch to economics at SAO (If I can do that).

Personally I love Politics in general. However, I am concerned that it will not provide me with the courses/degree that economics will provide. I intend to go into finance-like most of the students coming from high school-and I was wondering if going into Political Science will not prepare me as well as economics.

Is it difficult to do well in economics and maintain 80%? I am alright with math, but not the biggest fan of it. How difficult is the pre-req Political Science essay course in first year?

Thank you for your help in advance :)
The University of Western Ontario: Economics + AEO
pbsnArtur
#25 Posted : Monday, May 07, 2012 5:32:42 PM
Rank: Frosh


Joined: 4/17/2012
Posts: 6
JR24 wrote:

Hi Arthur, I am planning to attend (70% right now) UWO Political Science + AEO for the fall of 2012. I am still debating whether I should switch to economics at SAO (If I can do that).

Personally I love Politics in general. However, I am concerned that it will not provide me with the courses/degree that economics will provide. I intend to go into finance-like most of the students coming from high school-and I was wondering if going into Political Science will not prepare me as well as economics.

Is it difficult to do well in economics and maintain 80%? I am alright with math, but not the biggest fan of it. How difficult is the pre-req Political Science essay course in first year?

Thank you for your help in advance :)

Hey JR24,

As a Western applicant for Political Science, you will be admitted as a "General Social Sciences" student. You apply for the Political Science (or Economics, if you so choose) module next year.

In first year, you will be able to take all the necessary requirements to apply for both the Political Science Module and Economics Module to see which you like best. You would need to take the following courses to apply to Honours Specialization Political Science or Economics module:
- Political Science 1020 (Introduction to Political Science)
- Economics 1021 A/B (Principles of Microeconomics)
- Economics 1022 A/B (Principles of Macroeconomics)
- Calculus 1000 A/B (...Calculus? Lol)
- Math 1600 A/B (Linear Algebra)

The difficulty of either module depends on your personal intelligence and your passion towards either field. I kind of liked both but I definately preferred Political Science over Economics. I'm both a Math/Writing person but I was much more frustrated with the multiple choice exams in Economics (which were generally easy but just not my cup of tea) while the argumentative essay writing that you do in Political Science was much more engaging. Bottom line: Economics/Poli Sci are comparably similar in difficulty in first year (depending on your skills/interests), and I think both scale in difficulty after first year (Economics gets more Math heavy/complicated concepts and Poli Sci demands more of your commitment in readings and argumentative writing & analysis).

At the end it's really up to you, and it doesn't hurt at all to do the courses that enable you to do both modules. In fact, the above set of courses give you an incredibly well-rounded education that, when coupled with Biz1220, can enable you to do many more modules than just Political Science & Economics (like BMOS, Economics, Politics & Philosophy, Math and more).

Let me know if you have any other specific questions.

Best regards,
Artur
Artur Tsurkan
President 2012/2013 - Pre-Business Students' Network (PBSN)
Western University - Honours Specialization in Political Science (AEO1)

Feel free to PM me about Western, university, business schools in Canada, jobs, etc. I am more than happy to share my knowledge and experience.
Lucida
#26 Posted : Monday, May 07, 2012 8:16:20 PM
Rank: Frosh


Joined: 12/12/2011
Posts: 29
What is the average needed to maintain a BMOS offer?
garethdomingo
#27 Posted : Monday, May 07, 2012 8:21:09 PM
Rank: Senior Student




Joined: 2/15/2012
Posts: 160
is it possible to apply for political science now, get in over the summer, and still maintain my AEO. Or is it possible to change my bachelor's degree in first year? I am asking this because I think it may be difficult to maintain an 80% average in Chemistry and Biochemistry -_-
University of Western Ontario | Class of 2016

BMOS | AEO
Ankit
#28 Posted : Monday, May 07, 2012 8:49:59 PM
Rank: Frosh


Joined: 9/30/2011
Posts: 22
garethdomingo wrote:
is it possible to apply for political science now, get in over the summer, and still maintain my AEO. Or is it possible to change my bachelor's degree in first year? I am asking this because I think it may be difficult to maintain an 80% average in Chemistry and Biochemistry -_-


I heard about someone who applied last year around april on OUAC to BMOS and still got in. It's a bit latter now, but it wouldn't hurt to give it a shot.

Schulich BBA class of 2016


pbsnJim
#29 Posted : Tuesday, May 08, 2012 5:47:10 PM
Rank: Frosh


Joined: 5/4/2012
Posts: 5
Lucida wrote:
What is the average needed to maintain a BMOS offer?


Are you referring to preserving your offer regarding AEO status or just your general undergrad?
Lucida
#30 Posted : Tuesday, May 08, 2012 6:14:11 PM
Rank: Frosh


Joined: 12/12/2011
Posts: 29
pbsnJim wrote:
Lucida wrote:
What is the average needed to maintain a BMOS offer?


Are you referring to preserving your offer regarding AEO status or just your general undergrad?



Just the general undergrad, not AEO status.
pbsnArtur
#31 Posted : Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:28:02 PM
Rank: Frosh


Joined: 4/17/2012
Posts: 6
Lucida wrote:
pbsnJim wrote:
Lucida wrote:
What is the average needed to maintain a BMOS offer?


Are you referring to preserving your offer regarding AEO status or just your general undergrad?



Just the general undergrad, not AEO status.

Hey Lucida,

I've heard that the conditional average for BMOS is 85% this year.

- Artur
Artur Tsurkan
President 2012/2013 - Pre-Business Students' Network (PBSN)
Western University - Honours Specialization in Political Science (AEO1)

Feel free to PM me about Western, university, business schools in Canada, jobs, etc. I am more than happy to share my knowledge and experience.
Lucida
#32 Posted : Tuesday, May 08, 2012 11:09:36 PM
Rank: Frosh


Joined: 12/12/2011
Posts: 29
pbsnArtur wrote:
Lucida wrote:
pbsnJim wrote:
Lucida wrote:
What is the average needed to maintain a BMOS offer?


Are you referring to preserving your offer regarding AEO status or just your general undergrad?



Just the general undergrad, not AEO status.

Hey Lucida,

I've heard that the conditional average for BMOS is 85% this year.

- Artur


What? Are you sure? The average to get into the program is 80-87, I was expecting the conditional average to be around 78-82% :/
pbsnJim
#33 Posted : Wednesday, May 09, 2012 7:04:53 PM
Rank: Frosh


Joined: 5/4/2012
Posts: 5
Lucida wrote:
pbsnArtur wrote:
Lucida wrote:
pbsnJim wrote:
Lucida wrote:
What is the average needed to maintain a BMOS offer?


Are you referring to preserving your offer regarding AEO status or just your general undergrad?



Just the general undergrad, not AEO status.

Hey Lucida,

I've heard that the conditional average for BMOS is 85% this year.

- Artur


What? Are you sure? The average to get into the program is 80-87, I was expecting the conditional average to be around 78-82% :/


To be sure, I would contact the admissions office or a faculty counselor. As long as you don't completely bomb in your last semester of grade 12, you should be fine. Also note that you're going to be looking at your acceptance to Western instead. Acceptance into the BMOS program is contingent upon your performance in first year. As a first year, you'll just be enrolled in the general faculty of social science.
Lucida
#34 Posted : Wednesday, May 09, 2012 8:43:38 PM
Rank: Frosh


Joined: 12/12/2011
Posts: 29
pbsnJim wrote:
Lucida wrote:
pbsnArtur wrote:
Lucida wrote:
pbsnJim wrote:
Lucida wrote:
What is the average needed to maintain a BMOS offer?


Are you referring to preserving your offer regarding AEO status or just your general undergrad?



Just the general undergrad, not AEO status.

Hey Lucida,

I've heard that the conditional average for BMOS is 85% this year.

- Artur


What? Are you sure? The average to get into the program is 80-87, I was expecting the conditional average to be around 78-82% :/


To be sure, I would contact the admissions office or a faculty counselor. As long as you don't completely bomb in your last semester of grade 12, you should be fine. Also note that you're going to be looking at your acceptance to Western instead. Acceptance into the BMOS program is contingent upon your performance in first year. As a first year, you'll just be enrolled in the general faculty of social science.


What do you think my odds are of getting in with an 82% average? :/
pbsnJim
#35 Posted : Thursday, May 10, 2012 5:36:10 PM
Rank: Frosh


Joined: 5/4/2012
Posts: 5
Getting into the BMOS module is not greatly dependent on your average...it's just a matter of fulfilling the module requirements really.
pbsnArtur
#36 Posted : Sunday, May 13, 2012 6:38:57 PM
Rank: Frosh


Joined: 4/17/2012
Posts: 6
I think a bump is in order.
Artur Tsurkan
President 2012/2013 - Pre-Business Students' Network (PBSN)
Western University - Honours Specialization in Political Science (AEO1)

Feel free to PM me about Western, university, business schools in Canada, jobs, etc. I am more than happy to share my knowledge and experience.
weewuu
#37 Posted : Monday, May 21, 2012 10:00:54 AM
Rank: Frosh




Joined: 9/17/2011
Posts: 13
For those who are in BMOS:

How did you guys find the program? Did you like it? Was it what you expected? I really like the Ivey program, but I'm not too sure if I'd like to spend my first two years in BMOS. I have AEO status, btw.
garethdomingo
#38 Posted : Monday, May 21, 2012 11:09:54 AM
Rank: Senior Student




Joined: 2/15/2012
Posts: 160
Hello Pbsn,

I have been accepted into the Faculty of Science at UWO and I also have Ivey AEO status. However, I have decided to change my faculty from Science to either Social Science (Economics) or MOS.

I need help deciding which program I should switch to. Here are some qualities about me. I would be very thankful if you could recommend a faculty:

- I am very interested in the stock market and what effects it
- I am a strong math and english student
- I enjoy leading and organizing
- I do not have extensive knowledge in business, so a program that exposes me to different sectors of business would be ideal
- I aim to go into the corporate finance/ investment banking devision after university
- I am concerned about maintaining an 80% average to keep my AEO status
- I am interested in majoring in computer science if possible

1. Which program (Econ. or MOS) would best suit me and prepare me for investment banking or a related field? 2. Could you recommend courses that are considered beneficial (easier) for maintaining AEO?
3. Which honours specialization would you recommend for MOS(Accounting, Consumer Behaviour, Finance for MOS, HR Management, or Commercial Aviation Management) or Econ. (econ.,global econ.,econ/politics/philosophy)?
4. Would you recommend doing a double major in one of the aforementioned and computer science?

Thank you for taking the time to help me out.
University of Western Ontario | Class of 2016

BMOS | AEO
onlymatthew
#39 Posted : Monday, May 21, 2012 2:28:51 PM
Rank: Valedictorian




Joined: 12/24/2010
Posts: 643
garethdomingo wrote:
Hello Pbsn,

I have been accepted into the Faculty of Science at UWO and I also have Ivey AEO status. However, I have decided to change my faculty from Science to either Social Science (Economics) or MOS.

I need help deciding which program I should switch to. Here are some qualities about me. I would be very thankful if you could recommend a faculty:

- I am very interested in the stock market and what effects it
- I am a strong math and english student
- I enjoy leading and organizing
- I do not have extensive knowledge in business, so a program that exposes me to different sectors of business would be ideal
- I aim to go into the corporate finance/ investment banking devision after university
- I am concerned about maintaining an 80% average to keep my AEO status
- I am interested in majoring in computer science if possible

1. Which program (Econ. or MOS) would best suit me and prepare me for investment banking or a related field? 2. Could you recommend courses that are considered beneficial (easier) for maintaining AEO?
3. Which honours specialization would you recommend for MOS(Accounting, Consumer Behaviour, Finance for MOS, HR Management, or Commercial Aviation Management) or Econ. (econ.,global econ.,econ/politics/philosophy)?
4. Would you recommend doing a double major in one of the aforementioned and computer science?

Thank you for taking the time to help me out.


1. If you want to do investment banking, do either MOS/Econ. I think the majority of people that go into IB are in MOS, and although there might not be a true cause and effect relationship there, I'd recommend it as well. In first year, I think the only two programs that actually expose you to the nature of financial instruments and a further understanding of markets from an investing level are MOS and Act Sci. Act Sci being much more rigorous and math heavy. Economics well... examines the more economical side of things, but that's not to say it's going to inhibit your chances for investment banking opportunities at all. However, if you really want to be exposed to more business before your peers, your best option is definitely clubs. I won't suggest any particular ones because this is a PBSN thread (the best and most informative club for all AEOs by a significant margin).

2. Comp Sci 1032/1033 are both easy 90 courses. You describe yourself as a math student, so I'd recommend taking any of the maths from: 1000, 1225, 1228, 1229. If you have a good understanding of high school math, they'll be easy 90 courses too. Aside from these courses, you'd have a 1.0 elective that you can do whatever with. I recommend taking Biz 1220 because all the proverbial bad asses do, but you can wimp out and do just fine later if you want.

3. I can't speak for Econ. For MOS, it doesn't matter too much as you can defer your MOS credits past second year and effectively never take them. I think the consensus is either finance/accounting if you want to do IB, though. Finance for obvious reasons, and accounting because it presents a viable fall back. The logic is that if you don't make it into Ivey, you can drop into MOS and because its accounting stream is accredited, you can become a CA.

4. I don't think you can do a double degree between MOS/Econ and Comp Sci while concurrently studying Ivey. If you mean a MOS/Comp Sci or Econ/Comp Sci without Ivey, I'd say that's just fundamentally a bad idea. You'd be missing out on Ivey (which seems to be the main reason you're attracted to Western) and your opportunities aren't really massively expanded. People often go under the delusion that they need to distinguish themselves as a student by entering an unorthodox field. This might work at places like Waterloo or UT where computer science is actually a rigorous and respected program and the top graduates from their program actually do go to IB, but Western's computer science program is nothing to get your jimmies rustled over.


KangJules
#40 Posted : Monday, May 21, 2012 4:13:03 PM
Rank: Frosh


Joined: 4/2/2012
Posts: 40
Hi, I posted a topic on the forums but it had no reply so I'll copy paste it here and hope you can answer them.

1. Alright so I'm planning to transfer to HBA after finishing this year in Uni (2nd year). I was wondering how competitive it is to transfer to HBA? I know a crap load of people that has AEO status are going there so there should be only a small amount of room for those that wants to transfer right?

2. So far I only have a few EC's like School Congress member, sports and volunteering. And my Average is pretty average (81, bear in mind that this average is from CEGEP so 81 has more value than a 81 in Ontario high school). I'm going to do my second year university this year and planning to get 3.7-4.0 GPA, executive in 2 clubs that I have in mind and maybe be part of the badminton club. If I get that, will I be a competitive applicant for HBA?

3. If I maintain a 80 average (which is the minimum requirement for HBA)but from University of Ottawa, will they take that into consideration and undervalue my 80 Average than a western applicant with 80 average or any better universities out there?

If there's anyone here that has experience with Cegep, could you please contact me or tell me here if they'll look at my cegep grade as equally as my university grade?
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