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zainy1993 wrote:Yup, U of T is definitely much easier than I originally thought it would be, or maybe it's because I study so much. Anyways all my midterms went pretty well, 85+, except for BIO120 in which i got a 67. How'd you guys study for the BIO120 test? Did you notice that all the marks were given pretty generously, especially our chemistry test, and all the averages are like high 60's to low 70's. In the beginning I was so upset that i didn't get into Mcmaster Life Science, but UTSG isn't that bad :D. I really have no idea why forums here are so negative about UTSG, they never bell-curve down marks, unless it's in the mid 70's, and second they act as if you go to UTSG then you have screwed up your life with a terrible GPA. I was soooo scared when coming to UTSG. You're right though, the MAT135 test really was a joke, except for the last question on the nth derivative. I'm glad to see everyone is doing well! I keep telling people it's not so bad here. You just have to work hard and use common logic. I'm also glad that Lam made mat135 a little easier. Out of curiosity what was his famous last question this year (the one where he writes "this is a hard problem and will be marked very strictly")?
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O man, the last question on full solution was really hard. It was for 8 marks and you have to find the nth derivative. Question was, if i recall correctly, y=(cos^2 x-sin^2 x)/secxcosecx. You have to find the 99th derivative and x= pie/12 I used identities to get the equation sinxcosxcos2x. Then you had to differentiate it 3-4 times to find a pattern. The only way you can differentiate this is by extended product rule, unless you can simplify it further. And doing that 3 times is really hard. That's where I got stuck. Accepted: Mcmaster: Enviro Sci Ottawa: Honours Life Sci University of Toronto: Life Sci UTM: Life Sci Guelph: Biological Science Waterloo: Life Science Western: Health Science
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haha, just wait until you see the average, judging by your comment about the midterm being a joke, it will probably be to high for the administration. Good Luck With the final exam.....hahaha they are definitely going to make it one to remember. Also with your other courses life sci courses in the low seventies average?! WOW....again goodluck with the final exam. There is no way they will allow such a high average in life sci, hahaha. Your final exam will more than likely consist of extremely obscure questions of which you know the answer to one....maybe two.
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What made you think that the life sci class averages are in the 70's? The only course with a 70% average is chem138. If you studied effectively instead of just memorizing random details and doing past tests tests I find it hard to believe that any student shouldn't be able to get 80+ in all the courses. I think you misinterpreted what I said about the midterms being a joke. Everybody in this forum has been so critical about U of T, they say that even if you studied the whole day, you 'll still end up with a 70 average. I didn't study the whole day, but I did study a lot, more progressive learning though instead of cramming and I think i did pretty good. Not to mention that all my friends also got similar averages, and they studied just like me. Accepted: Mcmaster: Enviro Sci Ottawa: Honours Life Sci University of Toronto: Life Sci UTM: Life Sci Guelph: Biological Science Waterloo: Life Science Western: Health Science
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zainy1993 wrote:O man, the last question on full solution was really hard. It was for 8 marks and you have to find the nth derivative. Question was, if i recall correctly, y=(cos^2 x-sin^2 x)/secxcosecx. You have to find the 99th derivative and x= pie/12
I used identities to get the equation sinxcosxcos2x. Then you had to differentiate it 3-4 times to find a pattern. The only way you can differentiate this is by extended product rule, unless you can simplify it further. And doing that 3 times is really hard. That's where I got stuck.
This is actually not a bad question. You can rewrite it as (cos^2x - sin^2x)(cosx)(sinx) which simplifies to cos2x(1/2sin2x) which then simplifies to (sin4x)/4. If you take derivatives: First: cos4x Second: -4sin4x Third: -4^2cos4x Fourth: 4^3sin4x Now you notice that odd derivatives are cosine, and that the signs repeat every four in a + - - + pattern. So the 99th derivative is: -4^98cos4x. Plug in x = pi/12 and you get -4^98cos(pi/3) which is -2^196 (1/2) or -2^195 (I'm pretty sure this is right) I've never seen a test where Lam puts an nth derivative question as a full solution. It's usually one the last multiple choice. I guess he mixed it up this year. A quick note about Lam's last questions. As you just saw they aren't mathematically difficult. They usually involve a trick or algebraic manipulation that you wouldn't think of. And unless you figure out that trick you usually only get 2 points out of 8. If you do enough past tests though (and believe me I did) you will learn Lam's tricks and be able to solve questions like this in under 10 minutes. Doing well in Mat135 / 136 is about knowing Lam's tricks rather than having a solid understanding of calculus. Plenty of very good math students fail to realize this and do poorly in the course, so make sure you don't make that mistake.
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zainy1993 wrote:Yup, U of T is definitely much easier than I originally thought it would be, or maybe it's because I study so much. Anyways all my midterms went pretty well, 85+, except for BIO120 in which i got a 67. How'd you guys study for the BIO120 test? Did you notice that all the marks were given pretty generously, especially our chemistry test, and all the averages are like high 60's to low 70's. In the beginning I was so upset that i didn't get into Mcmaster Life Science, but UTSG isn't that bad :D. I really have no idea why forums here are so negative about UTSG, they never bell-curve down marks, unless it's in the mid 70's, and second they act as if you go to UTSG then you have screwed up your life with a terrible GPA. I was soooo scared when coming to UTSG. You're right though, the MAT135 test really was a joke, except for the last question on the nth derivative. May I ask you what your average was when you got accepted?
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I got 86% in high school. Not the greatest mark i know. I messed up on the calc midterm as well, 80% and i studied so hard for it, even went to the TLS sessions man. Accepted: Mcmaster: Enviro Sci Ottawa: Honours Life Sci University of Toronto: Life Sci UTM: Life Sci Guelph: Biological Science Waterloo: Life Science Western: Health Science
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Managed to get a 4.0 in that class - didn't get the final question on the mid-term, but got them on the final! Thank heavens. How'd everyone else do? University of Toronto Mathematics and Economics Specialist (BSc.) 2015
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MattUK wrote:Managed to get a 4.0 in that class - didn't get the final question on the mid-term, but got them on the final! Thank heavens. How'd everyone else do? Congratulations! May I ask what the final question was this year?
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I've a few questions... Hi, its been a while since anyone's posted on this discussion but I'm going to be attending first year Life Sciences at the St. George Campus this September. I'd like to ask about the difficulty of mat136. It sounds as though Professor Lam is the ideal math professor the students want, but if I get all of the courses I want in the correct time slots, I can only get Lam in the winter session for mat136. Did anyone here have MAT135 with Kergin? How was he? And also, how likely is it that students will get their desired time,courses and teachers when enrollment starts? Because first years can enroll in courses on July 30 I believe and I'm kind of imagining that this is going to be an intense race to get what we want and I'll be like, sweating and shaking as I'm enrolling... And also, I'm going to take CHM as an example. There is only about two lectures open for 138 (or was it 139), but I see that in green font it reads that there are some 300 seats in one lecture and another 400 seats in the second one. But aren't there a few thousand students in Life Science? How are we all going to get the time that we want? Is it alright if I just take 4 courses per semester while others are taking 5? Finally, I came across a discussion today and someone said to go on this site to check out the courses a person can take and who will be teaching it: http://findacourse.caIs this a genuine site, or some joke made by an evil person(excuse my choice of words)? I see for MAT135,136 there are names of profs on there.
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I was all about UofT life science during the first semester of grade 12, but the stories of the prick kids and the hard marking really threw me off that course. Besides the MD/dental/pharmacy fields, what other ways can you make money with that degree your going to get? That was my biggest issue. Serious BusinessYork- African Studies --> RejectedNippissing- Commerece --> RejectedLaurentian- Communication --> RejectedAlgoma- Anishinaabemowin --> WaitingUofT- Engineering Science --> Waiting (Pleasee)
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Okay, I have several questions, & the UofT site is confusing so.. I've been accepted to UofT life sciences and I understand course selection is approaching. So i've been looking at Majors and minors and specialists and stuff. So i decided i want to double major in Human Biology and Immunology, and i've checked the courses and I need like Bio120h1 bio130h1 CHM138h1 CHM139h1 and calculus and stuff.. So i go to ROSI and i go to view timetable/spaces, and i type in BIO120h1 Section F and i get like Lectures, & Practicals, for CHM138H1 I get Lectures, Tutorials and Practicals. So im confused.. DO i need to take BOTH The lectures AND the practicals for those that offer it (E.g: the BIO120h1) and Do i need to take all three : lectures tutorials and practicals for the CHM138h1???
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SAKAMOTO wrote:I've a few questions... Hi, its been a while since anyone's posted on this discussion but I'm going to be attending first year Life Sciences at the St. George Campus this September. I'd like to ask about the difficulty of mat136. It sounds as though Professor Lam is the ideal math professor the students want, but if I get all of the courses I want in the correct time slots, I can only get Lam in the winter session for mat136. Did anyone here have MAT135 with Kergin? How was he? And also, how likely is it that students will get their desired time,courses and teachers when enrollment starts? Because first years can enroll in courses on July 30 I believe and I'm kind of imagining that this is going to be an intense race to get what we want and I'll be like, sweating and shaking as I'm enrolling... And also, I'm going to take CHM as an example. There is only about two lectures open for 138 (or was it 139), but I see that in green font it reads that there are some 300 seats in one lecture and another 400 seats in the second one. But aren't there a few thousand students in Life Science? How are we all going to get the time that we want? Is it alright if I just take 4 courses per semester while others are taking 5? Finally, I came across a discussion today and someone said to go on this site to check out the courses a person can take and who will be teaching it: http://findacourse.caIs this a genuine site, or some joke made by an evil person(excuse my choice of words)? I see for MAT135,136 there are names of profs on there. I think this is the first year Kergin is teaching 135, though I could be wrong. I was able to get all my desired courses and times first year and my start time wasn't particularly early. That being said, Lam's lecture sections fill up very quickly. There are enough spots for every lifesci student in CHM lectures, but some take chm138 first semester and chm139 second semester, while some take chm139 first semester and chm138 second semester. That's why you only see 700 spots or so for chm138...the rest of the students will be taking chm139 that semester. 4 courses is fine, but you need 20 credits to graduate so you might have to do summer school / take 6 courses second year, etc... And that site is legit (from what I saw), but incomplete. All the info you need is on the arts and science course listings webpage.
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Wlu wrote:Okay, I have several questions, & the UofT site is confusing so.. I've been accepted to UofT life sciences and I understand course selection is approaching. So i've been looking at Majors and minors and specialists and stuff. So i decided i want to double major in Human Biology and Immunology, and i've checked the courses and I need like Bio120h1 bio130h1 CHM138h1 CHM139h1 and calculus and stuff.. So i go to ROSI and i go to view timetable/spaces, and i type in BIO120h1 Section F and i get like Lectures, & Practicals, for CHM138H1 I get Lectures, Tutorials and Practicals. So im confused.. DO i need to take BOTH The lectures AND the practicals for those that offer it (E.g: the BIO120h1) and Do i need to take all three : lectures tutorials and practicals for the CHM138h1???
Yes, for chm you need to take all 3 (LEC, PRA, and TUT sections) and for bio you need to take LEC and PRA sections,
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leafs2013 wrote:I was all about UofT life science during the first semester of grade 12, but the stories of the prick kids and the hard marking really threw me off that course.
Besides the MD/dental/pharmacy fields, what other ways can you make money with that degree your going to get? That was my biggest issue. It's hard to make money with a BSc in Life Science, unless you supplement it with some sort of computer science degree (so you can be a lab technician). If you obtain a PhD in biology and do a Postdoc with good research publications, you have a shot at being a Principal Investigator and having your own lab. Senior PI's make 150K + a year.
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Is there any way that a Fulltime student can change to study part-time? I feel that that's the only thing I can so for my personal life right now, and I'm asking specifically for first year students.
And is there anything I can do in the summer before actually starting school?
How much does it cost for a deferral(sp?) of one year off studies?
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SAKAMOTO wrote:Is there any way that a Fulltime student can change to study part-time? I feel that that's the only thing I can so for my personal life right now, and I'm asking specifically for first year students.
And is there anything I can do in the summer before actually starting school?
How much does it cost for a deferral(sp?) of one year off studies? You need to go talk to your college registrar. They will be able to help you make the switch. I'm not sure about the cost of a deferral, but your college registrar can probably answer that too. In regards to doing things in the summer before school, I wouldn't worry about it. Just get everything straightened out with courses and stuff and be prepared to work hard when school starts.
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Are there any profs (in science classes or math) that you have heard of that are nicer/better/fairer than others? Is the CHM139H1 class smaller in size in the F season than it is in the S season? In terms of difficulty, would you say CHM138 or CHM139 is harder? And do you know if every college makes their students pay a certain amount for frosh week? - Thanks for the info in advance
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Hello Trarod. I got a couple of questions. I'm wondering if I should take physics during the schoolyear or during summer? I hear the summer physics is harder, is that true?
Also, if I do take physics in the summer would I still be eligible to major in the second year programs that require physics as a prerequisite.
Thanks.
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YasmK wrote:Are there any profs (in science classes or math) that you have heard of that are nicer/better/fairer than others? Is the CHM139H1 class smaller in size in the F season than it is in the S season? In terms of difficulty, would you say CHM138 or CHM139 is harder? And do you know if every college makes their students pay a certain amount for frosh week? - Thanks for the info in advance Everyone in lifesci taking a course in the same session (fall or winter) writes the same tests. So which prof you have for bio, math or physics doesn't impact the difficulty of the test you write or how fairly it is marked, because each course in those subjects is offered in only one of the 2 sessions. I know that Lam is the best prof for math135/136 in terms of teaching. For bio 120 and phy131/132 everyone has the same prof. For bio130, I heard that Yip (evening section) is better than Coleman/Mitchell, but I did not attend his lectures so I can't recommend him. Chm is the exception, because chm138 and 139 are each offered in both sessions. The order in which you take them WILL affect the difficulty. AVOID prof Browning as he gives very hard midterms (I was not in his class but I saw my friend's tests). He usually tecahes chm139 in the fall, so I would take chm138 in the fall and chm139 in the winter. Most people do that, so CHM139 is smaller in the F session. I found chm139 easier than 138 bc 138 is almost all new material while 139 was about 55% review and 45% new stuff for me (my high school didnt cover thermochemistry OR acids and bases and barely touched equilibrium - if your school covered those, chm139 will basically be a review of high school). That being said, I think chm139 has the potential to be harder bc it involves mathematical problem solving (so the professor can come up with some very *creative* questions --- hence why you should avoid Browning). And yes I'm pretty sure every college makes you pay for frosh. Vic made me pay $50.
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