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Death penalty is unnecessary when there is Azkaban. Very severe and dangerous criminals are sent to Azkaban and believe me, living there is even worse than death.
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BudsFan94 wrote:Death Penalty- No, its costly for taxpayers and personally I dont believe in the eye for an an philosophy.
Eh? And keeping highly dangerous individuals in maximum security prisons for the rest of their lives (potentially 70+ years) isn't? So at this time I thought it might be interesting to throw something recent out there... Andreas Brevik, Bombs an office block in Oslo killing (6? I think) to distract police, then travels to the teenager's holiday camp dressed as a police officer with the sole intention of slaughtering as many innocent civilians as humanly possible. He does this, gunning them down as they flee in terror, over 70 dead and dosens more injured. Later claims it was 'unfortunate but necessary', has links to Right Wing extremist groups and claims his actions were a protest against the 'Islamification' of Europe and he was acting in the name of Christianity. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14363671
He pleads guilty to all charges and shows no remorse for his actions. Death Penalty? McGill - Arts
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Quote: He pleads guilty to all charges and shows no remorse for his actions. Death Penalty? IMO no. Its not that he doesn't deserve it. Its just not good enough. Whats worse death or a life of isolation in a terrible environment? If anything this guy probably wants them to kill him so he can be seen as some sort of martyr. However the situation in Norway is really a special case where the Norwegian public should be able to decide. **Shields** Accepted: University of Toronto: Social Sciences + Vic One (Pearson Stream) Carleton University: Honours Science University of British Columbia: Arts
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There's no logical reason to have a death penalty other than people's want for someone to suffer because they have. People say that it costs good taxpayer's money to keep jails and criminals secure. But it costs a huge amount more to even have the death penalty on the table in a case, as opposed to a case where its not being considered; and thats regardless of whether or not there's a conviction. Of course theres always the possibility of a wrongful conviction and it has happened. People seem to forget that the point of imprisoning criminals and punishing them is to keep others safe, deter others from committing the crime, and for them to be rehabilitated, not for us to feel some sense of having gotten one over on them. My own personal opinion is that a legal execution is nothing more than a hit with a seal of approval.
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I think this quote needs mentioning: "Why do we kill people who kill people to show that killing people is wrong?"
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SUMmer123456 wrote:I think this quote needs mentioning: "Why do we kill people who kill people to show that killing people is wrong?" That isnt really fair.. We show that if you go around killing innocent people and show no remorse, you have lost your right to be a human being. **Shields** Accepted: University of Toronto: Social Sciences + Vic One (Pearson Stream) Carleton University: Honours Science University of British Columbia: Arts
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karbear32 wrote:SUMmer123456 wrote:I think this quote needs mentioning: "Why do we kill people who kill people to show that killing people is wrong?" That isnt really fair.. We show that if you go around killing innocent people and show no remorse, you have lost your right to be a human being. And who determines when someone loses that right? You? Me? The majority? This is dangerous ground you're treading. This line of reasoning can be used to justify revenge-based genocide of oppressors. Isn't this what you wanted to stop in the first place? When does someone lose their innocence?
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SUMmer123456 wrote:karbear32 wrote:SUMmer123456 wrote:I think this quote needs mentioning: "Why do we kill people who kill people to show that killing people is wrong?" That isnt really fair.. We show that if you go around killing innocent people and show no remorse, you have lost your right to be a human being. And who determines when someone loses that right? You? Me? The majority? This is dangerous ground you're treading. This line of reasoning can be used to justify revenge-based genocide of oppressors. Isn't this what you wanted to stop in the first place? When does someone lose their innocence? k, cool story bro. **Shields** Accepted: University of Toronto: Social Sciences + Vic One (Pearson Stream) Carleton University: Honours Science University of British Columbia: Arts
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karbear32 wrote:SUMmer123456 wrote:karbear32 wrote:SUMmer123456 wrote:I think this quote needs mentioning: "Why do we kill people who kill people to show that killing people is wrong?" That isnt really fair.. We show that if you go around killing innocent people and show no remorse, you have lost your right to be a human being. And who determines when someone loses that right? You? Me? The majority? This is dangerous ground you're treading. This line of reasoning can be used to justify revenge-based genocide of oppressors. Isn't this what you wanted to stop in the first place? When does someone lose their innocence? k, cool story bro. If you really didn't want to continue down this line, then why critique the quote in the first place? I'm not averse to hearing other opinions at all. I'm just presenting a different side of the argument.
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Blatantly, the death penalty doesn't feel correct. It's easier to die than to live. Once your dead you don't feel anything. When your alive you have time to reminisce amongst what you have done and hopefully be rehabilitated to enter society some day. Also every justice system has flaws and having an innocent person executed seems to be the perfect crime. Who is going to listen to someone without a voice? Applied to: Schulich BBA (ACCEPTED) Waterloo AFM-PA ( Declined AFMAA - Game Over) Laurier BBA (ACCEPTED) Brock Co-Op Accounting(ACCEPTED) Macmaster Business (ACCEPTED)
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Tantrum wrote:Blatantly, the death penalty doesn't feel correct.
It's easier to die than to live. Once your dead you don't feel anything. When your alive you have time to reminisce amongst what you have done and hopefully be rehabilitated to enter society some day.
Also every justice system has flaws and having an innocent person executed seems to be the perfect crime. Who is going to listen to someone without a voice? I agree. Sadly, cost considerations are probably the main reason for the existence of the death penalty. It is cheaper to kill people than rehabilitate them in the long-run. It sounds reasonable to some when you bring up the "an eye for an eye" argument even(even then, I don't concur with that argument, but anyhow...), but cost reduction, not the enforcement of a principle, is what it's true purpose appears to be...to me at least.
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Death penalty - Illegal in every case. I think it's morally reprehensible. No matter how heinous the crime, let them rot in prison instead. Besides, no matter how small the risk, the possibility existing of executing an innocent person is sickening to me. Also, it has proven to NOT be an effective deterrent for crime. Marijuana - Legalise and regulate it. Prostitution - Legalise and regulate it. For both this and marijuana, why? Keep money out of criminals. Collect taxes. And people are going to do it anyway, so if we can legalise it and regulate it is much safer. In some countries prostitution is legal so long as it is in houses, and of course being a registered profession they do things like checking for STDs, making sure the escorts aren't being beaten up by pimps (who are now out of a profession). And with marijuana, people don't have to deal with drug dealers, and the act of smoking it itself is no longer illegal - just the ramification from doing so, as for alcohol. E.g. big penalties for DUI marijuana etc. For the record, I have never used marijuana or elicited services from a prostitute lol... Teaching intelligent design - Don't teach it. Teach science. Intelligent design is a religious theory, plain and simple, learn it in church or Sunday school (this coming from a guy who grew up a strict Catholic). Separation of church and state. Besides, we don't teach Buddhist or Hindu views of how the world was created. The only place I see the theory being allowed to be taught is under a student-chosen (not forced) religious education course, where it must be taught as a THEORY. **Shields** Accepted: University of Toronto: Social Sciences + Vic One (Pearson Stream) Carleton University: Honours Science University of British Columbia: Arts
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SUMmer123456 wrote:karbear32 wrote:SUMmer123456 wrote:karbear32 wrote:SUMmer123456 wrote:I think this quote needs mentioning: "Why do we kill people who kill people to show that killing people is wrong?" That isnt really fair.. We show that if you go around killing innocent people and show no remorse, you have lost your right to be a human being. And who determines when someone loses that right? You? Me? The majority? This is dangerous ground you're treading. This line of reasoning can be used to justify revenge-based genocide of oppressors. Isn't this what you wanted to stop in the first place? When does someone lose their innocence? k, cool story bro. If you really didn't want to continue down this line, then why critique the quote in the first place? I'm not averse to hearing other opinions at all. I'm just presenting a different side of the argument. I would rather NOT write an essay on what I think should be legal or not to some randoms on a chat board. **Shields** Accepted: University of Toronto: Social Sciences + Vic One (Pearson Stream) Carleton University: Honours Science University of British Columbia: Arts
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Zion, I want to join you in this debate of death penalties, right, an eye for an eye. Some crimes deserves the death penalties and the Law should be the same for the death penalties. And for other like marijuana and prostitution cases and add one more slavery, there should be re ordering from Law authorities I think. But may be it's already better for these low intensity cases. After all these are not death penalties and can never be.
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Did I mention I support the hanging of all Narco-Criminals?
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death penalty = yes Since the world if overpopulated we need whatever population contol we can get. Anyone that breaks the law no matter how severe it is should be punished by death. Just kidding =O
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Death Penalty: No - Death Penalty cost more - Innocent get death penalty. (Better that 10 guilty men go free, than 1 innocent man to be executed) Marrijuana - No Prostitution - No. -88% of legalized prostitutes dislike it. -63% of prostitues have a history of abuse - In places were prostitution is legal the avg salary is 23,000 (Slight above pov. line) - We need to address the actual issue. Intelligent Design - Defintely. For true evaluation of theories you have to hear all sides. Program Choices : 1. Rotman Commerce - Bachelor of Commerce 2. University of Toronto Mississauga Commerce - Bachelor of Commerce (Accounting) 3. Ryerson Business Management - Bachelor of Commerce (Accepted) (Rejected) (Waiting)
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Death Penalty: Yes I hate it when people talk about how the Death Penalty is right or wrong based on tax payer's money. I think those people sound like savages determining a person's death on cost. However, I believe, currently, that the death penalty is right. Canada's legal system seems to lax and I think Canada needs to change this. Marijuana - Yes There are a lot of people that smoke weed and from what I hear, it is not that serious of a drug (dont know any weedheads). Cops should stop wasting their time trying to catch these guys when they could use their time for other crimes such as murder, rape etc. UTSC - Computer Science Coop 2016
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SUMmer123456 wrote:I think this quote needs mentioning: "Why do we kill people who kill people to show that killing people is wrong?" I like this quote. If our juristic system start using death penalty on severe crime offenders, then doesn't this also make our juristic system a murderer?. Who, with what power, has the right to determine someone's right to life? Life without parole is what I think is enough for the maximum sentence. As far as for marijuana, I bet a lot of people can get this fast and quick. I mean this drug is easy to get for almost everyone. However, I'm really on the fence on whether this one should be legal or not. If marijuana legal, then all other prohibited drugs will be able to use the same precedent to make them legalized. If marijuana is illegal, then why should nicotine and alcohol be legal? Both nicotine and alcohol have identical effects on human bodies (especially nervous system) and if these two drugs are concentrated enough, they can both can kill. prostitution - Since the Ontario Court of Appeal had made the decision that prostitution itself is legal and other matters around it aren't, I think this should be legal (have some faith in our justices o.o). Because it is up to the vendors to decide what to sell and up to customers on what to buy, if one wants to sell his/her body and make a living out of it then it should be legal. The question is, why would people want to buy/rent someone's body for pleasure? I think this is where the problem is.
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I used to support the death penalty, but now I believe that it is unjust. Even if the person is a complete monster, we cannot play God and take someone's life. Besides, there are fates worse than death. Solitary confinement for life sounds worse to me. UWO: Nursing Class of 2016!
"If God brings you to it, He'll pull you through it".
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