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Rank: Frosh  Joined: 5/9/2012 Posts: 20
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Hello all, I had made some posts on this forum a few months ago and after talking with some people I had realized that I did not convert some grades from the US grading scale (specifically my high school's) to the Canadian scale, my apologies. So, how would one convert a "4.0" GPA to Canadian percentage (specifically Ontario, Alberta, and British Columbia)? Also, how would Canadian universities convert my marks if they are stated only in letter grades? Would I have a disadvantage? One of my 6 (or top five) courses so far (Not converted!): PreCalculus (aka Advanced Functions?): Semester 1: 85% (B) Semester 2: 84% (B) Any help is appreciated.
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Rank: Frosh  Joined: 5/9/2012 Posts: 20
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Planning to apply to: University of Waterloo Mechatronics, University of Western Ontario Mechatronics, UBC Mechanical (w/ Mechatronics option), Mcmaster Mechatronics. Just other info: 12th Grade courses: AP Calculus AP Physics C (both exams) AP Chemistry AP English Lit. AP Economics AP US Government and Politics AP Art History ECs: Robotics: One of the division captains at WHS ROBOTICS (a FTC team) Started a Robotics club in the community (a FRC team) (voted president of the club and captain of the team) Make and design Pepakura costumes, specifically for the creation of armor (e.g medieval armor, Iron Man, War Machine, etc.) Varsity Volleyball: Middle, and Right Back Freelance Broadcasting: Paid to broadcast concerts, religious events, conventions, etc. Also have held seminars to teach basic and advanced broadcasting.
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Rank: Senior Student  Joined: 12/25/2011 Posts: 101
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This proves how much a joke the American system is. In Canada, I know for sure in Ontario and Alberta 80% is the government standard for A. Applying to [Fall 2012]:
University of Calgary (Biological Sciences , Health Sciences Status: Applied University of Alberta (General Sciences)
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Rank: Senior Student  Joined: 12/25/2011 Posts: 101
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If your transcript is already in % form, then you're lucked out. Because an 84-85 in precalc is good. But don't convert letter grades to %. According to Ontario your 'B' is a % mark from 70-79. Just so you know. But don't know worry, you'll probably get in to most programs because we love to charge internationals 3x the tuition. Applying to [Fall 2012]:
University of Calgary (Biological Sciences , Health Sciences Status: Applied University of Alberta (General Sciences)
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Rank: Frosh  Joined: 5/9/2012 Posts: 20
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Thanks for your input. Other universities, except Waterloo, put their Minimum grade requirements in terms of GPA, so I am fine with that. However, Waterloo requires a 85% average in 6U courses, is that the same for Ontario or Canadian students?
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Rank: Frosh
Joined: 4/16/2011 Posts: 23
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@OP: International applicants are considered separately. Don't think that your grades will be converted to a % and then compared with those of domestic applicants! Schools usually set a separate standard for international applications, but of course it will be similar to that for Canadians. Since you're an American student, it's likely that they'll look at your SATs. Here's what Waterloo says: Quote:If you're applying from a high school in the United States or from a high school that follows the American system, you are required to submit SAT I scores or the results of the ACT test. The minimum required SAT I combined Math and Critical Reading score is normally 1100 for all faculties. The writing component is evaluated on an individual basis. SAT II scores are not required.
http://www.findoutmore.u...ons/intadmissions.php#6
Similarly, for McMaster: Quote:SAT I and II test results or ACT test results should be submitted by all applicants in an American High School curriculum program from the U.S.A. and other international schools. ACT results should be sent directly to McMaster University or may be included on official High School transcripts. The McMaster institutional code for TOEFL and SAT test result requests to ETS is 0936. http://future.mcmaster.c...d-document-information/
It's likely that your SAT scores will play a larger role in your admission than your high school GPA, since SAT scores are easy to compare among applicants, and grading systems differ between high schools far too much. SAT facilitates the comparison of the relative academic achievement of applicants much better, and it's probably what the universities will go by. By the way, why are you applying to Canadian schools from California?! Unless you're a citizen/resident, your international tuition here would be more than you'd be paying for in-state UC colleges. P.S. not one of these Canadian universities ranks higher than UC Berkeley, which seems like a great fit since you seem to be considering engineering-ish programs. Anyway, good luck! I did the opposite of what you're doing ... I'm a Canadian student now attending school in the US (UPenn/Wharton). I got into Berkeley too but out-of-state tuition was too high for it to be worth it. -- Candidate for B.S. in Economics (Finance, Statistics) The Wharton School University of Pennsylvania, Class of 2015
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Rank: Frosh  Joined: 5/9/2012 Posts: 20
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IBKid55: I hate the American system just as equally. asdf098: thank you for your extensive input! I am applying to those schools, but I am really interested in Mechatronics. So I want to apply to schools in Canada so I can get a degree rather than get a minor in it or just take a few classes on the subject in the US. Other than Waterloo, do the other universities accept score choice for SAT? edit: I forgot batman
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Rank: Student Body President
Joined: 12/22/2010 Posts: 1,330
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I have no idea what the tuition is in California for Californian students and what the tuition is in Canadian engineering schools for international students, but to me that sounds like a very uneconomical reason for going to school in Canada. I get that you think you really like mechatronics, but a) you can't be sure until you've actually studied it and b) even if you really do like it, a minor or some courses in the field should suffice, especially since, according to you, a degree in it is not an option in the US. It's not like US employers are going to expect a degree in mechatronics; they'd have a hard time finding suitable applicants. BMSc Honours Specialization in Medical Science, Minor in Psychology, UWO '09 Bachelor of Pharmacy, University of Alberta '13 - Drop out as of '11 University Certificate in Finance, Athabasca University '12 Petroleum Engineering Technology diploma, NAIT '13
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Rank: Senior Student
Joined: 4/28/2012 Posts: 57
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I remember reading somewhere saying that Canadian Universities tend to accept international students and students from other province/city before they get to local... Applied To:
University of Toronto - Social Sciences [POLITICAL SCIENCE] accepted (May 16, 2012) York University - International BA [POLITICAL SCIENCE (BA)] accepted (February 24, 2012) University of Ottawa - Social Sciences(CO-OP) [PUBLIC ADMIN/POLITICAL SCIENCE] accepted (February 23, 2012) Ryerson University - Politics and Governance accepted (May 3, 2012) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Current Average: 84.6% Current English Mark: 75% ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Attending: University of Toronto (St.George) St.Michael's for Social Science
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Rank: Frosh  Joined: 5/9/2012 Posts: 20
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TeaL3 wrote:I remember reading somewhere saying that Canadian Universities tend to accept international students and students from other province/city before they get to local... Now that is unfortunate.
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Rank: Frosh  Joined: 5/9/2012 Posts: 20
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Ok I do not know if I am comprehending this correctly, but are both of these webpages talking of the same average? http://uwaterloo.ca/engi...studying-outside-canada http://findoutmore.uwate.../international.php?id=8 (under engineering)
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Rank: Frosh
Joined: 4/16/2011 Posts: 23
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themanvigi wrote:TeaL3 wrote:I remember reading somewhere saying that Canadian Universities tend to accept international students and students from other province/city before they get to local... Now that is unfortunate. Why is that unfortunate? That's good for you. themanvigi wrote: Ok I do not know if I am comprehending this correctly, but are both of these webpages talking of the same average?
Yes, probably. mynameismattgotmlgo wrote:I have no idea what the tuition is in California for Californian students and what the tuition is in Canadian engineering schools for international students, but to me that sounds like a very uneconomical reason for going to school in Canada. I get that you think you really like mechatronics, but a) you can't be sure until you've actually studied it and b) even if you really do like it, a minor or some courses in the field should suffice, especially since, according to you, a degree in it is not an option in the US. It's not like US employers are going to expect a degree in mechatronics; they'd have a hard time finding suitable applicants. I agree with this guy. Most of the time, it's better to go to a school with an overall better reputation and overall better career prospects. The university's recognition in the industry and recruitment options matter much more than a specific major they might offer. As a high school student, you can't even be 100% sure that you will want to go into mechatronics by the time you graduate -- it's very likely that you will change your mind many many times. And, really, you cannot compare University of Western Ontario with, let's say, a UC school. They're nowhere near the same level. -- Candidate for B.S. in Economics (Finance, Statistics) The Wharton School University of Pennsylvania, Class of 2015
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Rank: Frosh  Joined: 5/9/2012 Posts: 20
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Asdf098: Sorry I meant unfortunate for local applicants.
mynameismattgotmlgo: Thank you, you opened some new ways for me to look at things.
I am not only applying to Canadian schools;but, I just wanted to know what needed to applying to schools in Canada. Does the same ideology about a school's rep. apply to Graduate school?
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Rank: Student Body President
Joined: 12/22/2010 Posts: 1,330
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Unless your SAT score and grades are extremely high, and you absolutely cannot settle for mediocrity, then I wouldn't be too concerned about rankings. But, FYI, according to the Times Higher Education world university rankings for engineering (http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2011-2012/engineering-and-it.html), CIT is #1, UC Berkeley is #4, Stanford is #5, UCLA is #8, UCSB is #16, University of Toronto is #18, UCSD is #24, UC Davis is #32, UBC is #33, McGill is #47, and Waterloo is #48. So while UBC and Waterloo may not be on the level, they are not far behind. It should be noted that these rankings are heavily based on different indicators of research activity/funding, which are probably highly correlated with prestige but are influenced heavily by simple things like government and corporate investment in research (so the California schools would be boosted nicely by that, which is not at all related to quality of education). Also worth noting is that the prestigious schools tend to be the hardest to get into. Employers like this because even if the education were exactly the same at CIT as at Joe Smith's School of Engineerin', the CIT students, being naturally smarter, would gain more from that education and be better, more intelligent engineers. But if you can't get into those schools, then this is of little benefit to you. If reputation is important to you, then you're definitely better off going to UBC or UWaterloo instead of some middle of the road or lower end California school. You also have to consider the economics of it too. One perk I know of Waterloo engineering (and, again, I know very little about engineering programs in the States) is the excellent co-op program offered. The Kitchener-Waterloo area is a major centre for electronics and computer engineering in Canada, and it is nearby to the Greater Toronto Area. Relevant work experience (whether it be through co-op or through summer jobs) definitely gives you an edge when applying for jobs post-graduation. BMSc Honours Specialization in Medical Science, Minor in Psychology, UWO '09 Bachelor of Pharmacy, University of Alberta '13 - Drop out as of '11 University Certificate in Finance, Athabasca University '12 Petroleum Engineering Technology diploma, NAIT '13
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Rank: Student Council
Joined: 1/28/2011 Posts: 482
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TeaL3 wrote:I remember reading somewhere saying that Canadian Universities tend to accept international students and students from other province/city before they get to local... Lol where did you hear that? It's untrue because many ontario students get early acceptances in nov-jan (if they apply to ontario universities). i have never heard or read of any out of province student getting early acceptances, since their schools dont send in marks as early. after the mid-jan deadline, they look at all applications at the same time, unless the applicant's high school is slow at sending out marks. oh, and since OP is interested in mechatronics, ill give him some info about it. most people that are in mechatronics dont get good coop jobs due to how overloaded their program is. mechatronics is essentially robotics, but for example when applying to a software job, a softeng student will more likely get the job due to their specialization in it. i have a classmate who transferred from mechatronics who told me this. now there is nothing wrong with applying for a canadian school even though youre from Cali. We have a couple of US students in our class, most from the east coast. Co-op is almost unheard of in the States though, it's definitely not common. And that's why a lot of people still choose to go to Waterloo. But keep in mind that you still have a chance at getting internships by yourself if you choose to go to an American school, esp if you look around in the Bay area. UW Software Engineering 2015Check out my blog, where I talk about school, coop terms, and other random stuff :)
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