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mynameismattgotmlgo wrote:sllencer wrote:The Arts and other "useless" degrees, are what makes civilization and lift us from barbarism. Way to be cliche. How do these degrees make civilization and lift us from barbarism? We weren't civilized before these degrees came along? I never realized university had such a profound effect on civilization. Again, what is wrong with recommending that people study these things on their own time, or minoring in them? While I don't think liberal arts degrees should be eliminated, there's no need for this many people to be getting such degrees. Why the F would you spend thousands of dollars on something you can learn by reading a number of books on your own time, unless you need to have an actual degree (i.e. to get a job)? If you don't plan on or realistically expect to get a job from a degree (through hard work, sucking up, networking, and becoming/being very skilled at communicating and dealing with people), then you're very likely just wasting time and money. You don't believe me? Alright, continue being ignorant and living in the ideal world. My guess is a collection agency a few years from now is what will finally bring you back down to the real world. So what if I said is cliche? >.> Doesn't mean squat. THe arts always had an efffect on civilization. All I was trying to say, they should not get rid of these degrees. And don't you laugh at yourself sometimes? You pretend to argue for me, " You don't believe me? Alright, continue being ignorant...." then you try to attack me personally based on something "I said".
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oscaruk You're very far behind the times. The China now isn't the same as the China 10 years ago, or the China 20 years ago. I can tell from your comments you haven't been to China recently (or ever...). Not your fault really, but being in your position, you can't possibly know the full situation and attitude of the people over there. Getting back on topic.... Lets get realistic here. This is a smart move on the government's end because it's within their best interests to keep employment rates high. Some majors happen to have very low demand. Most of these will probably be downsized, which will drive up competition and result in higher quality graduates. This already exists with many professional degrees, (med school or optometry in Canada for example). So why is it wrong to do this with crappy programs, and right to do this with highly regarded programs? I see it as turning the crappy program into something reputable and respectable. uWaterloo Mechatronics 2015
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Is it just me, or does attack an via "ad hominem" seem to be the easiest way to cover up ignorance these days?
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Quant wrote:Regarding, the prolonging of the Great Depression, there is voluminous research containing multivariate analysis based on time series from prior to the Depression, which shows that not only were key economic indicators growing significantly below trend after the New Deal, but that they grew at a smaller pace than they would in the absence of the New Deal. I don't think I need to explain to you the shortcomings of multivariate analysis from time series data. Just fancied-up correlations. BMSc Honours Specialization in Medical Science, Minor in Psychology, UWO '09
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sllencer wrote:So what if I said is cliche? >.> Doesn't mean squat. THe arts always had an efffect on civilization. All I was trying to say, they should not get rid of these degrees.
And don't you laugh at yourself sometimes? You pretend to argue for me, " You don't believe me? Alright, continue being ignorant...." then you try to attack me personally based on something "I said". What's wrong with being cliche? People think that because the statement is so widely said it must be true. While I can't prove that the Arts are not what makes civilization and lifts us from barbarism, I'm not the one making the initial claim. I don't have to disprove that. All you have to go on is a cliche; something rather widely believed to be. But there's no good reason to believe the statement is true. Go ahead, say you think those degrees should not be eliminated. That's your opinion, and I don't disagree with it. If you think that they shouldn't be eliminated because they play an important role in keeping human society civilized, then I do disagree with that. With no good evidence to support it, that's a far fetched claim. BMSc Honours Specialization in Medical Science, Minor in Psychology, UWO '09
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n0y0x wrote:oscaruk
You're very far behind the times. The China now isn't the same as the China 10 years ago, or the China 20 years ago. I can tell from your comments you haven't been to China recently (or ever...). Not your fault really, but being in your position, you can't possibly know the full situation and attitude of the people over there.
Correct, I myself have never been there... but I do have a relative who lives and works in China and I am aware that the Maoist era has past etcetc. However, the fact is that their censorship, freedom of speech and human rights records (even today) leave much to be desired. Thus in my view, them getting rid of humanities and social sciences is just another step in the wrong direction. Feel free to disagree. McGill - Arts
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Quote: The Arts and other "useless" degrees, are what makes civilization and lift us from barbarism. This is true. However there are far to many arts students. WHO WILL EMPLOY THESE PEOPLE?
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imaginaryengineer wrote:Quote: The Arts and other "useless" degrees, are what makes civilization and lift us from barbarism. This is true. However there are far to many arts students. WHO WILL EMPLOY THESE PEOPLE? Well until around 2008 they didn't have a big problem finding work... then everyone with a Business major screwed up the world... now no one has a job. Simples. McGill - Arts
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Queen's is suspending admission for a year because the prof retired, they are going to resume fine arts next year
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rightsaidfred wrote:
What's up with Brits being so arrogant? All stuck on their little island, not knowing about how the world really works, lol
We're not arrogant because we're on an island - we're arrogant because we're better than you.  The Chinese have a long and accomplished history in the field of education - there are some degrees that have minimal application in the real world - or the sheer magnitude of the students in a certain field negates its value as a degree. For example, there is a tradition for Chinese leaders to be engineers - not politics graduates. If they're phasing out certain degrees, it's because they've seen that they're not applicable in the conventional fields of work. Like some people have pointed out, translators are important jobs - and training in linguistics and foreign languages is crucial in that respect. So are fields such as economics, law, etc. The Chinese will obviously be maintaining fields which are in demand, but will be removing the ones which can be learned without direct instruction. University of Toronto
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MattUK wrote:We're not arrogant because we're on an island - we're arrogant because we're better than you. Except, you're not. Brits are inferior to the overwhelming majority of people in every conceivable way. You silly limey.
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This topic should be a must for every student however I won't go about promoting it. Less competition. I totally agree with a lot of the responses. BA are useless unless your going to supplement it. China is doing the right thing. Eliminating the courses that produce nothing really and focusing on the ones that affect the world economy. This whole topic kinda ties into Money, Power and the wealthy. The individual who posted the video by Sir Ken Robinson hit the jackpot. Life in general is rather competitive. Certain choices will enable you to succeed and other fail. Their is some usefulness in psychology and sociology or other primitive BA programs, however those courses are well thought. People need to think big, think outside the box, be enterprenuers and invest. Find ideas and create products that are useful and beneficially or as a necessity to the human psyche. Huron University College at Western University
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During the Second World War, Winston Churchill’s finance minister said Britain should cut arts funding to support the war effort. Churchill’s response: “Then what are we fighting for?” Applied!
York-Kinesiology (BA) (Accepted!)
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At the end, everything we do is useless in the purely utilitarian sense from a personal perspective, but do you still not live?
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