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Ask a REAL Con.Ed Student 2011-2012 Options
MYee
#41 Posted : Sunday, January 08, 2012 6:33:36 PM
Rank: Student Body President


Joined: 3/3/2010
Posts: 9,774
Wow, everyone's averages are impressive! Got to step up the game on my part. Ahaha.

Anyway, my question isn't about the PSE or average. If I end up in Queen's Con-ed, will all of my teaching placements (Like, teaching a class but with the original teacher around) be in Kingston or will I be able to go to, say, Toronto to do it?

Thanks a bunch!
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Ba Ba Blue
#42 Posted : Monday, January 09, 2012 9:40:21 AM
Rank: Student Council




Joined: 11/30/2010
Posts: 441
Going back to Toronto is totally cool. In fact, over half of everyone does that at Queen's. I do my placements in Peel region (Mississauga, Brampton, etc.).
Queen's-Trent Concurrent Education, '14 (Trent B.Sc) and '15 (Queen's B.Ed)
dahyunee
#43 Posted : Monday, January 09, 2012 9:00:48 PM
Rank: Frosh


Joined: 1/7/2012
Posts: 8
Hi!
I applied to york's concurrent in Science and i wasn't sure what subject of major i wanted to do so i just put undecided in the OUAC website. What courses will I be taking in first year if i didn't specify what subject i want to major in? I am soo confused ! Why do I have to major in a subject if i am going to be a teacher for primary/junior kids? Also what average should I aim for to get into this program? Thanks a bunch!!
Ba Ba Blue
#44 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2012 12:30:23 PM
Rank: Student Council




Joined: 11/30/2010
Posts: 441
For undecided science you'll most likely be taking a variety of science courses (up to your discretion - could be anything from one of the traditional biology, chemistry and/or physics to something like environmental science). Regardless of which science you go into, most universities require some math courses to graduate with a B.Sc (not sure about York in particular, but it's pretty much standard). I also don't know enough about York's concurrent program to know whether or not you'll be taking any education courses as well. Once you've done a few science courses, you can begin considering where you want to major.

The reason you have to declare a major in the first place is because as a concurrent student you'll have to fulfill the requirements of both a B.Sc and a B.Ed. The requirements of a B.Sc include (for the most part) choosing a major. The major you choose to get is not related to your education degree at all, but is actually a separate requirement imposed on all science students whether they're in Con.Ed or not.

As for your average, I don't know really. What I can say is that regardless of where you go you should always be putting in your top effort to maximize your average. Setting a threshold for yourself might seem like a good idea, but if you reach it you may lack the motivation to do the best that you can so I advise against it.
Queen's-Trent Concurrent Education, '14 (Trent B.Sc) and '15 (Queen's B.Ed)
Ba Ba Blue
#45 Posted : Thursday, January 26, 2012 2:16:38 AM
Rank: Student Council




Joined: 11/30/2010
Posts: 441
Bringing this back to the top. It got drowned out among many other irrelevant threads.
Queen's-Trent Concurrent Education, '14 (Trent B.Sc) and '15 (Queen's B.Ed)
DearCon
#46 Posted : Sunday, February 05, 2012 11:27:56 PM
Rank: Frosh


Joined: 9/9/2011
Posts: 1
Hi! I've been creeping the forum for advice for a while, but I'm finally asking a question of my own.

It's about the PSE (and I guess kind of Queen's question... but perhaps, you could give me your take?). The Queen's one has a 300 word limit, so I worked to get it in the limit. After I read the Trent PSE guide though, I noticed that they suggested using more specific details and I guess, by extension, specific accomplishments. But I realized that I focused on explaining what I did and how I acted in certain situations and how those actions related to teaching traits, rather than going on to explaining what was accomplished in the end. If I add the actual accomplishment I feel as if I'm taking away from what I actually did to show that I have potential as a teacher (because of the word limit)... Thoughts? :(

Thanks for answering so many questions on the forum, by the way! You're really helpful :)
Ba Ba Blue
#47 Posted : Monday, February 06, 2012 5:02:24 PM
Rank: Student Council




Joined: 11/30/2010
Posts: 441
I think the point is that you want to show that you did not participate passively in whatever experience you're describing. Rather, you want to show that you put effort into it and came out ahead as a result of it. That's not to say that you want to sacrifice saying why it will help you become a good teacher. Rather, you'll want to try to get the best of both worlds.

If this doesn't work within the framework you've made for yourself in the first draft of your PSE, maybe you should consider rewriting it entirely (it is only 300 words after all). Let me show you what I mean with two versions of an experience I've actually had. I think both convey the message that I believe extracurricular activities really benefit students, but the second speaks more to my accomplishments and positions held within the club than the first one does.

#1:
Quote:
I was a DECA member for 4 years. Through DECA, I learned how success is directly proportional to how much effort is put into something. The club had some very dedicated teachers supporting it and consequently it was the most successful club in the school. This enhanced everyone's high school experience, and so DECA has shown me the dedication necessary to be a great teacher by going above and beyond the minimum to ensure that students are connected to their school community outside of academics and thus provide ample opportunities for success.


#2:
Quote:
As a DECA member of 4 years, I understand the importance of providing extracurricular opportunities for students. In the beginning, I participated passively in the organization which yielded mediocre results. After seeing this did not work, I worked harder and ranked in the top 20 internationally among thousands of students at ICDC 2008. Next, I became club president and worked with dedicated role-model teachers to propel the club into its most successful year where 25% of the 80-member club qualified for the international competition in the USA. I am now better because of it.


They both use approximately the same number of words, and even then I'm pretty sure a few adjectives could be removed without changing the meaning very much.

My point is that you do want to talk about why your experiences are setting you up to be a good teacher, but you also want to let them know of your accomplishments. Who would you take, someone who's just a "member" of DECA or a top 20 finisher who also happened to be club president? I think I've made my point.
Queen's-Trent Concurrent Education, '14 (Trent B.Sc) and '15 (Queen's B.Ed)
Fawlkes
#48 Posted : Tuesday, February 07, 2012 3:29:31 AM
Rank: Senior Student




Joined: 3/26/2011
Posts: 69
Allow me to offer you a few pieces of advice I was given by a Queen's professor when I was working on my PSE

1) Remember to focus on WHAT THE QUESTION ASKS YOU TO DO and do that as exactly as possible

2) You are writing a PSE that is not specific to teaching, and a supplimentary application that is. Use the two different essays to show various skills and sides of yourself.

3) YOU DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING (and dispite what you think, you might not know anything) about how to teach, SO DON'T TRY TO SOUND LIKE YOU DO! Instead, focus on why you are a good teacher candidate. This demonstrates that you understand the qualities of a good teacher, and the potential you have to develop such qualities.

4) We know that everyone who bothers applying to this program has amazing experiences to offer. It is what you take away from these experiences that matter to us. Focus on what you have learned.

For instance, taking BaBa's example one step further in the same number of words you might say

"As a DECA member of four years, I grew to understand that work ethic strongly collates with success. Initially, my passive participation yielded mediocre results. With increased dedication and work ethic I placed in the top 20 among thousands of international students at ICDC 2008. In 2009 I became club president and using my knowledge of the importance of work ethic and the support of role-model teachers, lead 25% of the 80-member club to qualify for international competitions. I believe that my style of self-reflective leadership will enable me to become an empathetic and critically reflective teacher."

This shows off personal accomplishment, while at the same time relating strongly to your personal qualities and teacher candidate potential.

A final bit of advice; while attempting to combine experiences with personal qualities, it is tempting to use phrases like "I hope to...". Try to use stronger, more firm wording such as "I am confidant that..." or "I firmly believe I will..."
QUEEN'S CON-ED CLASS OF 2015
rtremb
#49 Posted : Monday, February 27, 2012 12:53:13 AM
Rank: Frosh


Joined: 11/15/2011
Posts: 24
Many thanks to Ba Ba Blue and Fawlkes for all the great posts and advice on this and other threads. My daughter was accepted to Queen's for the Concurrent Education/Arts last Friday. She is really thrilled.
Still going to put in her application to Trent for Concurrent this week to keep her options open. The fully paid tuition at Trent is tempting!!
Anyway, THANK YOU.
Ba Ba Blue
#50 Posted : Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:52:44 AM
Rank: Student Council




Joined: 11/30/2010
Posts: 441
If you get into Queen's, Queen's-Trent is almost guaranteed.

If she's deciding where to go, I highly suggest visiting both schools to check them out if she hasn't already. It made a big difference to me and would make a big difference to so many other people too. It's really important that she feels like her new school is where she belongs from experience. I belong in a small school surrounded by nature. Perhaps she doesn't.
Queen's-Trent Concurrent Education, '14 (Trent B.Sc) and '15 (Queen's B.Ed)
rtremb
#51 Posted : Tuesday, February 28, 2012 3:11:57 PM
Rank: Frosh


Joined: 11/15/2011
Posts: 24
Good advice. She visited Queens last summer for the official tour and we are planning a trip to Peterborough in the Spring to do the same. Trent sounds like a lovely place to study.

Two information packages arrived from Queen's today with details about the entrance scholarship, bursary, etc. Two packages because she also applied for the Bachelor of Arts Honours at Queens as well as the Concurrent Education/Arts. She was accepted to both.

We are very familiar with Ottawa U and Carleton U because we live in Ottawa. She has been accepted to these universities too with a $16,000 entrance scholarship.

Big decision ahead for her.
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