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I'm a person who would go out of their way to stop and help someone in need, whether it's from something minor to something serious. I feel that a lot of people in Western society are overall generally helpful when it comes to helping a person out if they witness a motor vehicle accident or something involving injuries. Now every time I've ever witnessed something like a car accident I would notice that a significant amount of people would have their phones out dialing 911 or trying to provide assistance in any way or form. It's seriously makes me question on how certain other countries have no concern for human or animal life. Here's some examples: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=...ext=G2a318beRVAAAAAAAADAhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66Tc0QpXx-QNow if you're a person like me, you would of got seriously frustrated over seeing how no one in any of these videos bothers to take any time to help out. Please free to share your insights or views on this matter! McMaster University - Honours Psychology, Neuroscience, & Behaviour (B.A.) '2016
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My reaction to these videos: LOL
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What you're doing is imposing your understanding of Human morality on everyone else. Do not assume that every single person in the world follows the same thinking as you. What may be acceptable to you could be a gross excess to someone else.
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It's easy to say in your comfy chair "I'd put others before myself any day of the week!". Would you put strangers before your wife/husband and kids any day of the week? Because if you're dead, who's going to look after them? Well, i wouldn't say that Western countries are significantly more likely to be kinder in these situations since there are a couple biases. If you're a moderately educated person on the interwebs, why in the world would you post a video of you not helping someone on youtube? There really isn't an benefit, only significant backlash from your community. So of course there would be a lack of videos like that coming from us. Whereas people in third world countries don't really give a screw about internet hype because they can't get charged for negligence or things like that. For example remember that kid who tossed a bag full of puppies in a river in some Slovakian country? She sure as hell didn't think the internet would care, but a mostly led american/western european investigation finally tracked her down and got her charged. It's completely naive to think things like that don't happen back at home. The only difference is our kids are smart enough not to post videos of it on the internet. It's not a difference of countries and culture of "helping", its the fact that a certain chunk of humanity isn't as hyper-empathetic as you. After watching your first video, i'm sure your main gripe of it was the guy in the truck didn't get out of his car until a minute or two after the crash. Sure, that guy in the truck seemed like he was okay, but the shock and trauma of getting into a crash and waking up in a stupor would sure as hell take me a minute or two. Y'know, check to see if i got all my limbs, struggle to get my seat belt off, then run to the other guys car. The dash cam wasn't pointed on the driver, how do you know he wasn't trying his best to get out of his car as fast as he possibly could? You try standing up seconds after you get punched in the face by an airbag. McMaster Engineering 2016 Materials Science and Engineering and Society with a minor in Biochemistry McMaster Enineering 2011 Applied -> Accepted Waterloo Mechanical Engineering 2011 Applied -> Accepted Western Engineering 2011 Applied -> Accepted
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Dont phucking care! Co-op Management University of Toronto Class of 2016
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chatmike wrote:It's easy to say in your comfy chair "I'd put others before myself any day of the week!". Would you put strangers before your wife/husband and kids any day of the week? Because if you're dead, who's going to look after them?
Well, i wouldn't say that Western countries are significantly more likely to be kinder in these situations since there are a couple biases. If you're a moderately educated person on the interwebs, why in the world would you post a video of you not helping someone on youtube? There really isn't an benefit, only significant backlash from your community. So of course there would be a lack of videos like that coming from us. Whereas people in third world countries don't really give a screw about internet hype because they can't get charged for negligence or things like that.
For example remember that kid who tossed a bag full of puppies in a river in some Slovakian country? She sure as hell didn't think the internet would care, but a mostly led american/western european investigation finally tracked her down and got her charged. It's completely naive to think things like that don't happen back at home. The only difference is our kids are smart enough not to post videos of it on the internet.
It's not a difference of countries and culture of "helping", its the fact that a certain chunk of humanity isn't as hyper-empathetic as you. After watching your first video, i'm sure your main gripe of it was the guy in the truck didn't get out of his car until a minute or two after the crash.
Sure, that guy in the truck seemed like he was okay, but the shock and trauma of getting into a crash and waking up in a stupor would sure as hell take me a minute or two. Y'know, check to see if i got all my limbs, struggle to get my seat belt off, then run to the other guys car. The dash cam wasn't pointed on the driver, how do you know he wasn't trying his best to get out of his car as fast as he possibly could? You try standing up seconds after you get punched in the face by an airbag. As someone who has lived in what is now a third world country I will have to say you are wrong, at least partly. Living in an impoverished condition where you are constantly fighting to insure you have base necessities does affect you psychologically. You are far more likely to be receptive to compassion and empathy living in a culture of abundance as apposed to violent scarcity. Honours Systems Design Engineering, Co-op 2016
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None of these videos show anything that is particularly unique to other cultures. It happens in Western countries just as frequently. It's called the bystander effect ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect )
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Just to clear things up, I was not addressing the video but rather adding my two cents on the difference there can be in cultures. Anyway I will promptly show myself out. Honours Systems Design Engineering, Co-op 2016
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^ I wasn't particularly responding to your post, just to the original idea in general.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmzSEYNTkHATo all you who clearly misinterpreted my main point, watch that video! I'm trying to say, why can't people just stop and help someone? Just watch that video and compare it to the earlier ones I posted, there is obviously a significant difference in the level of how much people actually care for others when it's a situation that requires someone to save another individuals life. How much trouble is it to seriously call 911 and report something? Does it take that much going out of ones way to do so? I don't think so... McMaster University - Honours Psychology, Neuroscience, & Behaviour (B.A.) '2016
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Congratulations, you found one video that showed Americans acting in a terrible situation. I am sure there are lots of videos out there that could also show a lot of inaction, similar to the videos you originally posted that you attribute solely to cultural differences.
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Sure, you previously mentioned the by-stander effect, which does evidently exist virtually everywhere. Based on all the previous replies I got on this thread, more of you are defending the actions of the people in the first videos rather than pointing out their faults. Plus, just read the comments on the videos, the majority of people are disgusted and not surprised that it occurred in that Country. My main argument is this, do certain countries simply not have morals? McMaster University - Honours Psychology, Neuroscience, & Behaviour (B.A.) '2016
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ktel wrote:Congratulations, you found one video that showed Americans acting in a terrible situation. I am sure there are lots of videos out there that could also show a lot of inaction, similar to the videos you originally posted that you attribute solely to cultural differences. I know you're not supposed to believe everything the media portrays but seriously read this article: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news...eing-left-on-street.htmlQuoted it says: "Many viewers reacted with dismay, citing the incident as further evidence that China had become a “world without morals”." It's not only me, who thinks that certain countries simply don't care for anything expect their economic prosperity. McMaster University - Honours Psychology, Neuroscience, & Behaviour (B.A.) '2016
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What you're saying is so incredibly ignorant and offensive. I highly doubt you've travelled anywhere and truly experienced cultural differences. You have found select examples and characterized an entire country based on two videos.
There are bad people everywhere. People get raped, killed and assaulted all the time in North America. Sometimes in front of other people who do nothing. You're trying to find fault in an entire culture/country, and that is so ignorant.
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ktel wrote:What you're saying is so incredibly ignorant and offensive. I highly doubt you've travelled anywhere and truly experienced cultural differences. You have found select examples and characterized an entire country based on two videos.
There are bad people everywhere. People get raped, killed and assaulted all the time in North America. Sometimes in front of other people who do nothing. You're trying to find fault in an entire culture/country, and that is so ignorant. I linked you to an article and I'm extremely offensive? There is that user on here named Quant, new profile WhiteNoise. Do you see the stuff he says in his posts? You do you have a point that I can't base everything off of 2 videos, I'l admit I got carried away just out of anger from watching those videos and that my recent posts are taking it too far. So Yeah you're right, I'm ignorant in terms of what I said. McMaster University - Honours Psychology, Neuroscience, & Behaviour (B.A.) '2016
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You didn't just link to an article. You said:
"It's seriously makes me question on how certain other countries have no concern for human or animal life." "My main argument is this, do certain countries simply not have morals?"
and then quoted an article that said the entire country of China has no morals. That is what is offensive, and ignorant.
I read the news every day. I hear about horrible, disgusting stories that happened in my city, in my province, in my country. But I'm not about to start a thread online that says "How do you feel about all Canadians being murderers?"
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Alright, I clearly see that I screwed up and I'm not denying the fact that I went way over-board. At least I'm acknowledging that my whole approach to this thing wasn't appropriately phrased and came off as ignorant. Sorry to anyone that I offended! I think I just earned myself a bad rep on this forum :/ McMaster University - Honours Psychology, Neuroscience, & Behaviour (B.A.) '2016
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I appreciate you acknowledging that, thank you.
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ktel wrote:You didn't just link to an article. You said:
"It's seriously makes me question on how certain other countries have no concern for human or animal life."
"My main argument is this, do certain countries simply not have morals?" and then quoted an article that said the entire country of China has no morals. That is what is offensive, and ignorant.
I read the news every day. I hear about horrible, disgusting stories that happened in my city, in my province, in my country. But I'm not about to start a thread online that says "How do you feel about all Canadians being murderers?" Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? For example, when I started a thread about Elementary School Pet Peeves and just listed some of mine since that was the point of the thread, you said "You're really going to complain about your grade 8 marks? Don't you have anything better to do?" when I was never complaining about my marks, I was stating my pet peeve about how the teacher marked me, and that was just one of the many pet peeves I listed. I would call that ignorant because you completely misunderstood the point of the thread, and offensive because you were attacking me because you said that I basically have nothing better to do with my time. And no matter what, you can't always say that your opinion is right, everyone has a right to their own opinion, and what may be wrong in your eyes, maybe right in their eyes. There are thousands of people who have said this type of stuff like Medic93, in the news, I saw it all the time, so singling him out as being offensive and ignorant is kind of a long stretch from where he was heading with it. And no matter how right you may be, or you think you are, you can't force people to agree with your opinion, and you have to learn when to agree to disagree. Applying to:
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Right, because being racist/prejudiced is the same as being annoyed about someone complaining about petty high school problems.
It's not like I'm singling him out either. I would call out any other person who said something like this as being ignorant and offensive.
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