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Done 1st year CS at UofT St. George, will answer questions Options
arviny
#1 Posted : Thursday, May 03, 2012 4:46:11 PM
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Joined: 2/27/2011
Posts: 143
I know there's a lot of people deciding where to head off next year and it is a tough choice. I hope I can help by answering any questions anyone has about my experience and thoughts on the university for CS.

Shoot away.
UTSG Computer Science UC - 2015 (PEY 2016)


6/6
Toronto St. George - Computer Science Accepted
Toronto St. George - Electrical and Computer Engineering Accepted
Toronto Scarborough- Computer Science co-opAccepted
Waterloo - Computer Science co-op Accepted
Waterloo - Software Engineering co-op Accepted
York - Computer Science Accepted
Bscit
#2 Posted : Thursday, May 03, 2012 4:54:02 PM
Rank: Senior Student


Joined: 1/30/2012
Posts: 249
Did you like it?
What courses did you take?
What was your average at the end along with the class average?
UTSC - Computer Science Coop 2016
arviny
#3 Posted : Thursday, May 03, 2012 4:58:31 PM
Rank: Senior Student




Joined: 2/27/2011
Posts: 143
Bscit wrote:
Did you like it?
What courses did you take?
What was your average at the end along with the class average?



1. I think I love it, had a really great year and learned a lot. Though I believe I would have liked UW Soft. Engineering better!
2. I took the requirments CSC108, CSC148, CSC165, MAT135, MAT136. For electives I took ECO100Y, GER100Y, and TBB199H1. Adds up to 5.0 credits
3. Well not all my marks are out yet, so far 4.0 GPA (meaning I got at least 85 each course). The course averages are usually C+ (there's no actually number posted, they post the letter grade for final course averages) and are always designed to be this way..at least for large first year classes.
UTSG Computer Science UC - 2015 (PEY 2016)


6/6
Toronto St. George - Computer Science Accepted
Toronto St. George - Electrical and Computer Engineering Accepted
Toronto Scarborough- Computer Science co-opAccepted
Waterloo - Computer Science co-op Accepted
Waterloo - Software Engineering co-op Accepted
York - Computer Science Accepted
Bscit
#4 Posted : Thursday, May 03, 2012 5:41:13 PM
Rank: Senior Student


Joined: 1/30/2012
Posts: 249
I noticed that you also got accepted to Waterloo CS.
What made you pick UTSG over UW and what was your admission
average?
UTSC - Computer Science Coop 2016
arviny
#5 Posted : Thursday, May 03, 2012 6:02:28 PM
Rank: Senior Student




Joined: 2/27/2011
Posts: 143
Bscit wrote:
I noticed that you also got accepted to Waterloo CS.
What made you pick UTSG over UW and what was your admission
average?


Financial reasons actually, didn't really have a choice there. Though I figure I could have pulled off some student loans from one of the big banks and made it work.
Also my admission average was 86.6% for all of them. If I can remember correctly (this being my marks from 1st semester). My supplementary application was pretty good though and the school I came from was favoured by UW.
UTSG Computer Science UC - 2015 (PEY 2016)


6/6
Toronto St. George - Computer Science Accepted
Toronto St. George - Electrical and Computer Engineering Accepted
Toronto Scarborough- Computer Science co-opAccepted
Waterloo - Computer Science co-op Accepted
Waterloo - Software Engineering co-op Accepted
York - Computer Science Accepted
Trudeau99
#6 Posted : Thursday, May 03, 2012 7:55:59 PM
Rank: Senior Student


Joined: 5/2/2012
Posts: 59
Hey I like your name Arviny. My name is Arvin xP.

1) is it as hard and as competitive as everyone says? For example alot of people
dropping out since it is too hard

2) Do you Enjoy University college because I chose that as my first choice

3) Do you think I have a chance to get into university college with 85%? because alot of people are saying they have 90%+. Makes me feel bad=/
University of Waterloo: Environment and Business( Co-op) graduating class of 2017

2012Applicant
#7 Posted : Thursday, May 03, 2012 8:23:34 PM
Rank: Senior Student




Joined: 2/25/2012
Posts: 60
arviny wrote:
I know there's a lot of people deciding where to head off next year and it is a tough choice. I hope I can help by answering any questions anyone has about my experience and thoughts on the university for CS.

Shoot away.


Some of these may have been answered:

What was your acceptance average?
How much programming experience did you have?
Did you do any of the contests from Waterloo?
if you had to choose based on academic merit alone, which one would you pick?
University of Waterloo : Software Engineering
Current term: 1b, January - April
Anonymous12
#8 Posted : Thursday, May 03, 2012 10:06:17 PM
Rank: Frosh


Joined: 11/27/2011
Posts: 14
I applied to UW software engineering but as I'm pretty sure that I will not get in, I am now torn between UTSC computer science co-op and computer science at UTSG. I believe that UTSC has a software engineering stream whereas UTSG does not. But when I went to the computer science open house at UTSG, they said many of their students have been studying/doing software engineering at UTSG which really confused me. Is the software engineering stream similar to that of Waterloo or McMaster or is it just a list of recommended courses that you must take to get that specialization in software engineering. Does UTSG offer the software engineering courses that UTSC offers for their software engineering specialization? Thank you for taking your time to answer the questions!
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desgarron9
#9 Posted : Friday, May 04, 2012 12:32:02 AM
Rank: Frosh


Joined: 3/17/2012
Posts: 26
Would you happen to know what are the job prospects like? Is it easy to find employment?
Have you had any sort of struggles so far?
University of Waterloo Electrical Engineering- [Admitted - May 6, 2013]

University of Toronto Chemical Engineering

McMaster University - Engineering I (CO-OP) [Admitted - March 21, 2013]

Queen's Engineering [Admitted - May 8, 2013]

Queen's Science [Admitted - May 8, 2013]

University of Toronto (St. George) - Computer Science (CO-OP) [Admitted - February 27, 2013]

Overall average (Top 6) of 2013: 87.67%
arviny
#10 Posted : Friday, May 04, 2012 12:47:08 AM
Rank: Senior Student




Joined: 2/27/2011
Posts: 143
Trudeau99 wrote:
Hey I like your name Arviny. My name is Arvin xP.

1) is it as hard and as competitive as everyone says? For example alot of people
dropping out since it is too hard

2) Do you Enjoy University college because I chose that as my first choice

3) Do you think I have a chance to get into university college with 85%? because alot of people are saying they have 90%+. Makes me feel bad=/


Sup my name is actually Arvin. Added a 'y' for reasons I can't remember.

1. It is somewhat challenging first year, but the university admits a lot of students who do not belong here. These are the guys at the bottom of the course. Plus I see a lot of people who slack of a lot and do things last minute because they were too busy watching tv shows or out partying or something. I think if you pay attention in lectures, read some material ahead of the lecture, keep on top of assignments and homework, and have decent study/work habits that you will do well.. trust me! The atmosphere at the university I feel is very friendly for CS and the department is really helpful/caring for it's students since there's always help when you need it for projects, midterms, exams, or in general if you have any course related questions. Don't think of CS as very competitive, it's a small department relative to the other massive ones where competition is tight.


2. The college choice really have no bearing on your university experience if you commute to school. In which case I was, so I really didn't connect with my college at all except for frosh week when I stayed over at a friends residence at UC (which was a blast! think we had one of the best frosh weeks compared to other unis).

3. My admission average was 86.6% and I got admitted in early March of 2011. Think the cut off is around low 80s so you should be fine ASSUMING that your calc, adv func, and english marks are in good standing (85+)
UTSG Computer Science UC - 2015 (PEY 2016)


6/6
Toronto St. George - Computer Science Accepted
Toronto St. George - Electrical and Computer Engineering Accepted
Toronto Scarborough- Computer Science co-opAccepted
Waterloo - Computer Science co-op Accepted
Waterloo - Software Engineering co-op Accepted
York - Computer Science Accepted
arviny
#11 Posted : Friday, May 04, 2012 12:50:28 AM
Rank: Senior Student




Joined: 2/27/2011
Posts: 143
2012Applicant wrote:
arviny wrote:
I know there's a lot of people deciding where to head off next year and it is a tough choice. I hope I can help by answering any questions anyone has about my experience and thoughts on the university for CS.

Shoot away.


Some of these may have been answered:

What was your acceptance average?
How much programming experience did you have?
Did you do any of the contests from Waterloo?
if you had to choose based on academic merit alone, which one would you pick?



1. Average already answered.
2. I had decent programming experience through grade 10, 11, and 12 computer science in high school and outside of that I didn't do any programming.
3. Yes I did do some of the contests, but honestly I was very busy around then and it's a faint memory to recall how well I did.
4. Academic merit alone I would choose UTSG hands down. Research here is no joke compared to UW.
UTSG Computer Science UC - 2015 (PEY 2016)


6/6
Toronto St. George - Computer Science Accepted
Toronto St. George - Electrical and Computer Engineering Accepted
Toronto Scarborough- Computer Science co-opAccepted
Waterloo - Computer Science co-op Accepted
Waterloo - Software Engineering co-op Accepted
York - Computer Science Accepted
arviny
#12 Posted : Friday, May 04, 2012 12:53:03 AM
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Joined: 2/27/2011
Posts: 143
Anonymous12 wrote:
I applied to UW software engineering but as I'm pretty sure that I will not get in, I am now torn between UTSC computer science co-op and computer science at UTSG. I believe that UTSC has a software engineering stream whereas UTSG does not. But when I went to the computer science open house at UTSG, they said many of their students have been studying/doing software engineering at UTSG which really confused me. Is the software engineering stream similar to that of Waterloo or McMaster or is it just a list of recommended courses that you must take to get that specialization in software engineering. Does UTSG offer the software engineering courses that UTSC offers for their software engineering specialization? Thank you for taking your time to answer the questions!



I believe this is you (http://www.reddit.com/r/UofT/comments/t683g/software_engineering_at_uoft/), if not this person has the exact same question posted today. I answered under 'a7nwee'. Also to comment on the ECE specialization in 3rd and 4th year as software engineering is the only legitimate way to call yourself a software 'engineer'.
UTSG Computer Science UC - 2015 (PEY 2016)


6/6
Toronto St. George - Computer Science Accepted
Toronto St. George - Electrical and Computer Engineering Accepted
Toronto Scarborough- Computer Science co-opAccepted
Waterloo - Computer Science co-op Accepted
Waterloo - Software Engineering co-op Accepted
York - Computer Science Accepted
arviny
#13 Posted : Friday, May 04, 2012 1:02:29 AM
Rank: Senior Student




Joined: 2/27/2011
Posts: 143
desgarron9 wrote:
Would you happen to know what are the job prospects like? Is it easy to find employment?
Have you had any sort of struggles so far?


UTSG and UW are the top schools for CS in this country and they do produce the brightest students. I actually emailed the PEY office asking about employment when I was applying to UTSG last year here's a excerpt of the response.

"Last year about 65% of Comp Sci students who registered in PEY secured internships. However, many of the students who didn’t find internships registered for the program and then decided that PEY did not fit with their goals, and returned to school instead. While there are no guarantees that a student will secure a position, as this is dependent on many variables, we do post a number of Comp Sci related positions and our Career Counsellors assist students throughout the job search process.
"

(PEY is for 2nd and 3rd year students to find usually 12-16 month internship or 4 months in the summer).

I went to a lot of info sessions for employers out of curiosity in september and I can tell you a lot of companies express interest to higher a lot of students from UTSG. I went to companies like Microsoft (who sponsors a lot), Google, Telus.. and it looks like they hire a lot of math, CS, and engineering students. And I haven't looked for employment in CS since I am taking this summer off to work on side projects and self learn material.
UTSG Computer Science UC - 2015 (PEY 2016)


6/6
Toronto St. George - Computer Science Accepted
Toronto St. George - Electrical and Computer Engineering Accepted
Toronto Scarborough- Computer Science co-opAccepted
Waterloo - Computer Science co-op Accepted
Waterloo - Software Engineering co-op Accepted
York - Computer Science Accepted
maelong
#14 Posted : Friday, May 04, 2012 2:23:42 AM
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Joined: 1/6/2012
Posts: 253
i thank you for answering the questions

1. so i'm still not sure if i should choose computer science over engineering
do you think i should? and if you do why?
2. I really want to go to u of t, but i heard they drop like half of people in the 1st year, especially in cs program
is it true?
3. i also heard it's impossible to keep decent gpa in u of t, some says it's as hard as harvard; i'm thinking to go to grad school
is u of t good choice for me then?



i love big cities and admire u of t campus
but i see too many problems and worries including financial problem
should i just ignore them and follow my guts?
University of Toronto: Chemical Engineering --- Rejected...was 1st choice
University of Toronto: Computer Science --- Accepted (April 19th)
University of Waterloo: Chemical Engineering --- Accepted (April 7th)
McGill University: Electrical, Computer & Software Engineering --- Accepted. (Mar 12th)
University of Calgary: Engineering--- Accepted. (Mar 13th)
Serllen
#15 Posted : Friday, May 04, 2012 12:56:54 PM
Rank: Senior Student


Joined: 3/7/2012
Posts: 289
1. Did you take FLC for CS? If so, how would you rate it?
2. What are the materials taught in CS108 and CS148?
3. If one already has some programming experience(like knowing how to program methods declare variables...etc), would you recommend CS108 or CS148?
4. What was your calculus mark and your final percentage?
5. This question doesn't really relate to CS topics, but did you take any of the first-year seminar courses? If so, how would you rate the course?

Thanks in advance!
volnxebec
#16 Posted : Friday, May 04, 2012 7:39:58 PM
Rank: Senior Student


Joined: 3/7/2012
Posts: 91
maelong wrote:
i thank you for answering the questions

1. so i'm still not sure if i should choose computer science over engineering
do you think i should? and if you do why?
2. I really want to go to u of t, but i heard they drop like half of people in the 1st year, especially in cs program
is it true?
3. i also heard it's impossible to keep decent gpa in u of t, some says it's as hard as harvard; i'm thinking to go to grad school
is u of t good choice for me then?



i love big cities and admire u of t campus
but i see too many problems and worries including financial problem
should i just ignore them and follow my guts?


2 & 3, they are not true at all.... people get kicked cuz uoft accept people who shouldn't be here in the first place and compsci is not that hard anyways... 4.0 should be no problem if u manage time well
NΨ 1T5
arviny
#17 Posted : Friday, May 04, 2012 10:34:47 PM
Rank: Senior Student




Joined: 2/27/2011
Posts: 143
maelong wrote:
i thank you for answering the questions

1. so i'm still not sure if i should choose computer science over engineering
do you think i should? and if you do why?
2. I really want to go to u of t, but i heard they drop like half of people in the 1st year, especially in cs program
is it true?
3. i also heard it's impossible to keep decent gpa in u of t, some says it's as hard as harvard; i'm thinking to go to grad school
is u of t good choice for me then?



i love big cities and admire u of t campus
but i see too many problems and worries including financial problem
should i just ignore them and follow my guts?



1. Job field wise ECE and CS are quite different. ECE you learn about circuit analysis , electronics, digital systems..basically hardware end (read this for more info on page 119, http://www.apsc.utoronto...gineering-2011-2012.pdf). Check out the courses you must take and see if you have an interest for them. Later on in 3rd and 4th year ECE you can end up specializing in different fields of study like software design (including low level programming), robotics, and so on (see this http://www.ece.utoronto..../Curriculum_Streams.htm).
But you still have access to a lot of jobs people in CS can do, though you might be slightly less competitive if you don't have a lot of experience programming and want to be a software developer of some sort. Still a good chuck of ECE graduates end up doing CS jobs (Microsoft, Google, big names..) and make good money, but they could also be working with low level programming and coding drivers and things like that since it deals with computer architecture and knowledge of hardware/circuits.

CS definitely deals with more math and theory behind computation. Some of your CS courses could involve more math and proofs than actual programming. But the job field is really booming since CS has an application everywhere from hospitals to banks to tech companies. Think if you really want to be a developer and want to stick with programming/design end of software then do CS because you will not be disappointed.

Don't worry about the professional engineering certification, just do what you find the most interesting and like the most. If you love computers and are not certain you want to go down the path of programming, then do ECE since it gives you the most exposure. Plus you can always switch out of ECE to CS easily, but it's harder to go from CS to ECE.



2. There are a handful of people I know that knew CS wasn't for them and switched programs, but didn't drop out. Refer to my other post above, it's really not that bad as it's put out to be. You can do well if you decide to, but if you want to walk in and expect to do well with minimal work and aren't a genius then good luck. In fact it's the same at most universities because high school != university.

3. Again more bs about this university. I know plenty of people who got like 95+ or perfect in their courses like math and cs and I my self have a decent average as well (had a 4.0 GPA just the other day before my econ mark came in short of a 4.0). Trust me, UW and UofT are no different in difficulty. It is a challenge, but the good kind. You will learn a lot and get the hang of it. Plus like I said before, CS department really cares for it's students (at least in 1st year), they're not there to kick half of us out but instead they (profs and TA's) try their best to help anyone who's falling behind and wants help.

4. Follow your guts. Visit the campuses and get a feel for the environment and see if you like them. Finacial problems I learned are best dealt with at the schools financial aid office since they typically do cover what is left over after OSAP and parents/your contributions (at least at UofT and engineers get insane amounts of cash).
UTSG Computer Science UC - 2015 (PEY 2016)


6/6
Toronto St. George - Computer Science Accepted
Toronto St. George - Electrical and Computer Engineering Accepted
Toronto Scarborough- Computer Science co-opAccepted
Waterloo - Computer Science co-op Accepted
Waterloo - Software Engineering co-op Accepted
York - Computer Science Accepted
arviny
#18 Posted : Friday, May 04, 2012 10:53:28 PM
Rank: Senior Student




Joined: 2/27/2011
Posts: 143
Serllen wrote:
1. Did you take FLC for CS? If so, how would you rate it?
2. What are the materials taught in CS108 and CS148?
3. If one already has some programming experience(like knowing how to program methods declare variables...etc), would you recommend CS108 or CS148?
4. What was your calculus mark and your final percentage?
5. This question doesn't really relate to CS topics, but did you take any of the first-year seminar courses? If so, how would you rate the course?

Thanks in advance!



1. Nope didn't do it since they make your timetable for you (setting the lecture times for some courses).

2. CSC108 deals with how to program and starts assuming no one knows how to program (so it starts off very slow and pace picks up). Here's the lecture page just look over it there's nothing special here but it was a really fun course and also a very very easy one if you have some past programming experience, http://www.cdf.toronto.e.../winter/lectures.shtml.
CSC148 is the real course, this is where they start teaching more computer science than programming. You should breeze through this if you are strong with 108 concepts and can think your way through problems using concepts learned in class. It's very much paying attention in class and following the thought process used to solve problems :) Take a look, http://www.cdf.utoronto..../winter/lectures.shtml. This was my page for when I took 148. Really enjoyed this course because they taught it exceptionally well (Paul Gries) and the labs were really great (they had a lot of cs job interview level questions). Best course I took this year.

3. Just take 108 if you want to have a bird course first semester to ease your workload, but if you feel like it's a waste taking this course then you can either do CSC150 (very intense) or 148 (just learn just python programming over the summer and attend the UofT ramp up session where they do CSC108 in 1 day and teach you what you need to know for 148). Again look at the course website lecture material and see if your comfortable with everything in 108.

4. Gosh calculus? High school I can't remember exactly, I think it was 97. First year MAT135 I got 85 and MAT136 88. Think 135 was straight forward since it's a review of grade 12 calc and just adds a few new concepts. You can literally practice the test from last year and only that along with attending lectures and you will do well, which is what I did. 136 is all the new stuff, but the level of difficulty remained the same. Think I could have done a bit better, but anything over 85 is a 4.0 so it wouldn't matter.

5. First year seminars...TAKE THEM! I took TBB199H1 about linguistic origins, honestly we started with 25 students and finished with 10 because the material was very boring and the prof was also boring. However it was the easiest course I took, we just had weekly assignments where we read a package of notes/excepts from books that we got for $10 and answer questions about the readings. There was NO final exam, instead we had a final paper which was a short research article...easiest course ever. Bad thing is I wanted to sleep every class, but it was so small that I would get noticed and make a bad impression. The course average was also a B, which is really high compared to all the other courses sitting at C or C+.

UTSG Computer Science UC - 2015 (PEY 2016)


6/6
Toronto St. George - Computer Science Accepted
Toronto St. George - Electrical and Computer Engineering Accepted
Toronto Scarborough- Computer Science co-opAccepted
Waterloo - Computer Science co-op Accepted
Waterloo - Software Engineering co-op Accepted
York - Computer Science Accepted
arviny
#19 Posted : Friday, May 04, 2012 10:54:23 PM
Rank: Senior Student




Joined: 2/27/2011
Posts: 143
volnxebec wrote:
maelong wrote:
i thank you for answering the questions

1. so i'm still not sure if i should choose computer science over engineering
do you think i should? and if you do why?
2. I really want to go to u of t, but i heard they drop like half of people in the 1st year, especially in cs program
is it true?
3. i also heard it's impossible to keep decent gpa in u of t, some says it's as hard as harvard; i'm thinking to go to grad school
is u of t good choice for me then?



i love big cities and admire u of t campus
but i see too many problems and worries including financial problem
should i just ignore them and follow my guts?


2 & 3, they are not true at all.... people get kicked cuz uoft accept people who shouldn't be here in the first place and compsci is not that hard anyways... 4.0 should be no problem if u manage time well


Pretty much sums it up.
UTSG Computer Science UC - 2015 (PEY 2016)


6/6
Toronto St. George - Computer Science Accepted
Toronto St. George - Electrical and Computer Engineering Accepted
Toronto Scarborough- Computer Science co-opAccepted
Waterloo - Computer Science co-op Accepted
Waterloo - Software Engineering co-op Accepted
York - Computer Science Accepted
TotoSmith
#20 Posted : Friday, May 04, 2012 11:32:23 PM
Rank: Senior Student




Joined: 1/11/2012
Posts: 144
I kind of have a random question that I was hoping that you could answer. Do you know if it is possible to double major in actuarial science and computer science?
Thanks! :)
University of Toronto
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