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Which would be the best place to accept? [Fall/Winter 2012] Options
meghana90
#1 Posted : Sunday, May 06, 2012 9:40:56 AM
Rank: Frosh


Joined: 10/8/2011
Posts: 3
Hey all.

I applied to 6 different universities for either Social Science/Humanities and got into 5/6 of the places I applied to.
I have no clue where to go, and welcome opinions about all the 6 places I've applied to, considering the respective programs I got into there.

Places I applied -

1. University of Toronto, St.George [Humanities. Adm Status- Accepted]
2. McMaster University [Social Science. Adm Status-Accepted]
3. Western University [Social Science. Adm Status-Not Yet]
4. University of Toronto, Mississauga [Humanities. Adm Status-Accepted]
5. York University [Criminology, Law & Society & Sociology. Adm Status - All accepted]
6. Queens University [Arts. Adm Status- Accepted]

Now, I was considering UofT, Mac and Queens until recently..but York just admitted me to their Criminology program and my parents are asking me to consider it, because of the rave reviews it has received.

Please help..because the Fall/Winter 2012 people only have about 2 and a half weeks to make a decision!

Thanks Guys cheers
Rum
#2 Posted : Sunday, May 06, 2012 3:50:52 PM
Rank: Student Body President


Joined: 3/3/2010
Posts: 5,806
Go to U of T SG. World renowned institution and excellent for arts and humanities. Forget about York.
**Shields**
Accepted:
University of Toronto: Social Sciences + Vic One (Pearson Stream)
Carleton University: Honours Science
University of British Columbia: Arts
Katarina101
#3 Posted : Sunday, May 06, 2012 5:45:32 PM
Rank: Senior Student




Joined: 8/19/2011
Posts: 133
Criminology at York University, gives you the full thrill experience. Classes are usually held on Canada's most dangerous intersection Jane and Finch. You get to investigate on shootings, drug dealings, sexual assaults, shop lifters. What more can you ask?

Remember that 50% of york students are murdered before they finish their degree. There is no better way to study criminology than by becoming a victim of crime yourself.

Haha, sorry that joke never gets old, anyways for you I would choose Western!
Attending September 2012:

York University Social Work
AgriGen
#4 Posted : Sunday, May 06, 2012 7:56:41 PM
Rank: Senior Student


Joined: 3/14/2011
Posts: 132
LightsOwl
#5 Posted : Monday, May 07, 2012 8:54:36 PM
Rank: Frosh


Joined: 9/15/2011
Posts: 9
University of Toronto because they have a reputation for being one of the best universities in the world for studying humanities.

Source: http://www.timeshighered...arts-and-humanities.html
Victoria college @ University of Toronto '16
blackswan
#6 Posted : Thursday, May 10, 2012 3:26:26 AM
Rank: Frosh




Joined: 1/8/2012
Posts: 36
Hey there, I'm having a hard time deciding where to go too. It's either U of T environmental studies, or Waterloo environment & business.

The thing is, U of T ranks like 19th in the world, and Waterloo is 100 something. So it'd be really cool to be in a world class university like U of T. But nonetheless, Waterloo has an amazing co-op program that I'm really interested in, and they seem to be really innovative, and i think they concentrate in the environmental department more than U of T.

So, what do you guys think?
Applied to:

Carleton-Environmental Studies [Accepted]
U of T-Environmental Studies [Accepted]
UWaterloo-Environment & Business [Accepted]
York-Environmental Studies [Accepted]
UOttawa-Environmental Studies [Accepted]
AgriGen
#7 Posted : Thursday, May 10, 2012 8:32:32 AM
Rank: Senior Student


Joined: 3/14/2011
Posts: 132
Hey blackswan. I am at waterloo right now.. in my last semester before graduating.

An important part to remember about co-op is that not every program has the same amount of jobs. A huge proportion of jobs are for engineers. Outside of engineering and computer science almost everything is 2nd class when it comes to waterloo unfortunately. Take my major for example.. if you searched co-op jobs you would get maybe 4 or 5 jobs in total.. out of about the say 1300 posted? So take into consideration environment and business will not have jobs galore.. they will be there (much better than my program - sociology) but they it wont be anything crazy.

Also.. im very critical of the business courses at waterloo. Very poorly done in my opinion! Uoft is a little better (I was previously at uoft too, your in luck!), though not without its own flaws.

I would personally take uoft :)
blackswan
#8 Posted : Thursday, May 10, 2012 11:05:53 AM
Rank: Frosh




Joined: 1/8/2012
Posts: 36
my aunt's friend told her that U of T is too theoretical. is that true?

so is it possible to transfer from one university to another? why did you transfer from U of T?
Thanks for the thoughts! (:
Applied to:

Carleton-Environmental Studies [Accepted]
U of T-Environmental Studies [Accepted]
UWaterloo-Environment & Business [Accepted]
York-Environmental Studies [Accepted]
UOttawa-Environmental Studies [Accepted]
AgriGen
#9 Posted : Thursday, May 10, 2012 1:16:22 PM
Rank: Senior Student


Joined: 3/14/2011
Posts: 132
Its hard to say black. Too theoretical.. but for what? Not if you want to go to a graduate school.. then its perfect! Yes they focus more on academics.. the students themselves focus on academics as well. For certain majors I think it can be detrimental.. such as business where you need to experience things outside of a text book (same for certain parts of the social sciences I think).

Yes you can transfer university to university and program to program. Not everything though.. certain programs have certain restrictions. You cannot enter after certain period or you cannot enter without certain courses in general (the latter is very common, so you need to plan ahead if you want to transfer).

I transferred from uoft because I wanted to move away and gain new experiences. Also, the coop program was tantalizing at the time (I made a similar mistake as you in assuming coop was made equal for all majors) and a good friend of mine was moving there with me. :)
blackswan
#10 Posted : Tuesday, May 15, 2012 1:28:19 AM
Rank: Frosh




Joined: 1/8/2012
Posts: 36
Okay so what do you mean by coop not being equal for all majors? Are you saying that there aren't many options to choose where we'll do the coop?

The thing is, I'm scared that with U of T being theoretical, I'll find it hard to find a job afterwards. Cause let's face it, I don't want to keep studying for my whole life, I wanna work (:

In your opinion, what are U of T's flaws?
Applied to:

Carleton-Environmental Studies [Accepted]
U of T-Environmental Studies [Accepted]
UWaterloo-Environment & Business [Accepted]
York-Environmental Studies [Accepted]
UOttawa-Environmental Studies [Accepted]
AgriGen
#11 Posted : Wednesday, May 16, 2012 9:47:02 PM
Rank: Senior Student


Joined: 3/14/2011
Posts: 132
blackswan wrote:
Okay so what do you mean by coop not being equal for all majors? Are you saying that there aren't many options to choose where we'll do the coop?

The thing is, I'm scared that with U of T being theoretical, I'll find it hard to find a job afterwards. Cause let's face it, I don't want to keep studying for my whole life, I wanna work (:

In your opinion, what are U of T's flaws?


Hey blackswan.. yes thats sort of the idea by not being equal. Waterloo is an engineering/computer science school. So on top of the fact that the job market does not like arts students.. your at a university that doesnt care much about its arts students. Arts at waterloo is not a tremendously good program.. thus not a lot of employers come to recruit there. Co-op is geared towards those in engineering. When go to the waterloo job posting site you wont find a lot of jobs for those in arts. Even after that a lot of the jobs arent that good. If you want really good jobs you will have to go externally and find them yourself - defeating the main purpose of coop!

Dont be scared of this theoretical stuff. ALL universities are too theoretical.. the vast majority of things you learn in the social science dont apply in real life and arent helpful regardless of what school you go to. If you want a job from the social sciences then look at the general prestige of the university.

I cant speak too much about uoft because I was only there for a year.. and was only at the UTM campus. UTSG is a lot different from UTM. I did not like the students too much.. very geeky some of them.. some very snobby.. the staff is incredibly rude at times. The learning itself is way better at uoft though.. most of my waterloo profs are just terrible. If you want to see old discussions check out the link in my signature to some of my longer posts.
AKGill
#12 Posted : Friday, May 18, 2012 9:51:47 PM
Rank: Frosh


Joined: 3/12/2012
Posts: 7
Heyy!!! Do u mind telling me ur average?? I'm waiting for an acceptance from Waterloo and Mac...so was just wondering. :)
Mc Master University- 2016
blackswan
#13 Posted : Wednesday, June 20, 2012 2:28:25 AM
Rank: Frosh




Joined: 1/8/2012
Posts: 36
AgriGen wrote:
blackswan wrote:
Okay so what do you mean by coop not being equal for all majors? Are you saying that there aren't many options to choose where we'll do the coop?

The thing is, I'm scared that with U of T being theoretical, I'll find it hard to find a job afterwards. Cause let's face it, I don't want to keep studying for my whole life, I wanna work (:

In your opinion, what are U of T's flaws?


Hey blackswan.. yes thats sort of the idea by not being equal. Waterloo is an engineering/computer science school. So on top of the fact that the job market does not like arts students.. your at a university that doesnt care much about its arts students. Arts at waterloo is not a tremendously good program.. thus not a lot of employers come to recruit there. Co-op is geared towards those in engineering. When go to the waterloo job posting site you wont find a lot of jobs for those in arts. Even after that a lot of the jobs arent that good. If you want really good jobs you will have to go externally and find them yourself - defeating the main purpose of coop!

Dont be scared of this theoretical stuff. ALL universities are too theoretical.. the vast majority of things you learn in the social science dont apply in real life and arent helpful regardless of what school you go to. If you want a job from the social sciences then look at the general prestige of the university.

I cant speak too much about uoft because I was only there for a year.. and was only at the UTM campus. UTSG is a lot different from UTM. I did not like the students too much.. very geeky some of them.. some very snobby.. the staff is incredibly rude at times. The learning itself is way better at uoft though.. most of my waterloo profs are just terrible. If you want to see old discussions check out the link in my signature to some of my longer posts.


Hey AgriGen, I have more stuffs to ask you. Now that I'm starting to choose my courses in UofT, i got a bit confused.

So I need at least 4 FCE to apply to environmental studies. And they have this new policy, the breadth requirements stuffs that just makes everything more confusing. Anyway, I'm planning to transfer to Waterloo in my 2nd year.

I'm just wondering, how many credits did you take in UofT? I'm just scared that I won't be able to keep up in Waterloo.
Applied to:

Carleton-Environmental Studies [Accepted]
U of T-Environmental Studies [Accepted]
UWaterloo-Environment & Business [Accepted]
York-Environmental Studies [Accepted]
UOttawa-Environmental Studies [Accepted]
HieronymusBosch
#14 Posted : Wednesday, June 20, 2012 10:50:44 AM
Rank: Senior Student


Joined: 5/28/2012
Posts: 64
I think the OP's long-gone by now, but to reiterate what others have said: UoT definitely has the country's strongest and most well-rounded Humanities departments. Anyone who is serious about philosophy for example should look at UoT as their number one.

However, in the social sciences, UoT still has a problem with methodologies. It's the problem with which most other Canadian universities are struggling (or haven't even started struggling yet), but where UBC, McGill and American R1s have finished their feuds for decades. It's not so much that UoT or universities are "too theoretical" - what does that even mean? - but that UoT has a reputation for being relatively weak in quantitative analyses.

This might not matter too much for undergrad. (Most) grad schools will beef up your quantitative skills in the first-year if you haven't taken any math since high school. But if someone's planning to enter the job market straight after getting their BA, I would venture to say that a student who has a working knowledge of STATA is going to be in a better position than one who doesn't even know Calculus.
MattUK
#15 Posted : Saturday, June 23, 2012 6:10:19 PM
Rank: Senior Student




Joined: 3/30/2011
Posts: 155
HieronymusBosch wrote:
I think the OP's long-gone by now, but to reiterate what others have said: UoT definitely has the country's strongest and most well-rounded Humanities departments. Anyone who is serious about philosophy for example should look at UoT as their number one.

However, in the social sciences, UoT still has a problem with methodologies. It's the problem with which most other Canadian universities are struggling (or haven't even started struggling yet), but where UBC, McGill and American R1s have finished their feuds for decades. It's not so much that UoT or universities are "too theoretical" - what does that even mean? - but that UoT has a reputation for being relatively weak in quantitative analyses.

This might not matter too much for undergrad. (Most) grad schools will beef up your quantitative skills in the first-year if you haven't taken any math since high school. But if someone's planning to enter the job market straight after getting their BA, I would venture to say that a student who has a working knowledge of STATA is going to be in a better position than one who doesn't even know Calculus.


Which is one of the reasons why I combined my Economics degree with Mathematics. Although the Economics Specialist at U of T is highly mathematical in and of itself; I can't speak for other Social Sciences, though.
University of Toronto
Mathematics and Economics Specialist (BSc.)
2015
Razear
#16 Posted : Sunday, June 24, 2012 3:20:05 PM
Rank: Student Body President


Joined: 11/24/2011
Posts: 2,315
HieronymusBosch wrote:
I think the OP's long-gone by now, but to reiterate what others have said: UoT definitely has the country's strongest and most well-rounded Humanities departments. Anyone who is serious about philosophy for example should look at UoT as their number one.

However, in the social sciences, UoT still has a problem with methodologies. It's the problem with which most other Canadian universities are struggling (or haven't even started struggling yet), but where UBC, McGill and American R1s have finished their feuds for decades. It's not so much that UoT or universities are "too theoretical" - what does that even mean? - but that UoT has a reputation for being relatively weak in quantitative analyses.

This might not matter too much for undergrad. (Most) grad schools will beef up your quantitative skills in the first-year if you haven't taken any math since high school. But if someone's planning to enter the job market straight after getting their BA, I would venture to say that a student who has a working knowledge of STATA is going to be in a better position than one who doesn't even know Calculus.


That's a very interesting response. I am personally going into a BA program that doesn't require me to take math since my math performance in high school wasn't so good. However, I am looking to pursue an MBA after my undergrad and I have seen many people who hold BAs going this route since it would be easier to attain a high GPA studying something you're good at. Do you think this approach would be best for what I am looking to do or should I opt with studying a BA in Econ and suffer through first-year Calculus knowing that I do poorly in math?
Applied to (Fall 2011):

Queen's University - Arts [Admitted] [ACCEPTED OFFER]
University of British Columbia (Vancouver) - Arts [Admitted]
University of British Columbia (Okanagan) - Arts [Admitted]
University of Western Ontario - Social Science (2 programs)
[Admitted]
University of Western Ontario - Media, Information, & Technoculture [Admitted]
Simon Fraser University - Arts (Criminology) [Admitted]
University of Toronto, Victoria College - Social Sciences [Refused] [Alternate Offer - Scarborough]
University of Waterloo - Honours Arts [Admitted]
McMaster University - Social Sciences [Admitted]
McMaster University - Humanities [Admitted]

Attending (Fall 2012):


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