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Hey guys, so we had a debate going on in our economics class about this issue. Its evident that parents from wealthy families will send their kids off to the best and most prestigous schools in the country. These schools that are occupied by most wealthy kids, are however, beginning to show a decrease in financial aid. But what about those kids that do need it? Students shouldn't be denied financial assistance just because an enormous amount of the students there won't need it. We had to write an essay about this topic, so anyone who can give me insights on these questions, i appreciate it :) - Which universities do wealthy families usually send their children to in Ontario/Canada? > my class came up with the top 3, but its merely subjective: 1. Western 2. University of Toronto 3. Queens - What aspects of these schools draw these students towards the school? - Is it possible for parents to "buy" their kids' admissions in Canada? University of Toronto (Health Studies) - Accepted McMaster University (Psychology, Neuroscience & Behavior) - Accepted University of Western Ontario (Developmental Cognitive Neuroscience) - Accepted Ryerson University (Nursing) - Accepted
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I'll answer the last question. It is possible to buy admission to university. People do it by taking classes at private schools which tend to be very generous with marks if you're generous with money. That's outside of Alberta of course. Attending Fall 2012:
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I've never heard of Western being a "rich kid's school", just that it's a major party school. And I don't go to Queens, but my cousin who does says that many of it's student population are rather well off, and that since many of the girls are "white, hot, blonde chicks" that there is a pressure to be better dressed. She doesn't feel comfortable going to class in sweats. So if I were to make an assumption, it would be Queens. UWO: Nursing Class of 2016!
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Apparently Queen's is #1. I hear rumours that less than half of the students are on OSAP and financial assistance is looked down upon there. Course, rumours are rumours ya know. I JUST WANT TO GO TO UW AFM.
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lol financial assistance isnt "looked down upon" how does that even make sense. it is true that many of the students here are well off and yes our girls are attractive and well dressed.
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TheConsultant wrote:lol financial assistance isnt "looked down upon" how does that even make sense. it is true that many of the students here are well off and yes our girls are attractive and well dressed. I believe I did include in my post; AdJan wrote:Course, rumours are rumours ya know. I JUST WANT TO GO TO UW AFM.
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Personally I've noticed that within Canada, well-off people go to McGill and Queen's a lot, but they're pretty evenly spread out everywhere. The even-richer families who have the means to send their kids to Ivy's with little to no financial aid head off the HYPS usually. Most of these kids I know attend prestigious private schools like UTS/St. Mike's/UCC/Crescent/Appleby's and get in on their own merit however. Waterloo Mechanical Engineering '17 Applied: McGill :) :( :( :( Western :) Ivey :( U of T :) :) Waterloo :) :) :)
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AdJan wrote:Apparently Queen's is #1.
I hear rumours that less than half of the students are on OSAP and financial assistance is looked down upon there. Course, rumours are rumours ya know. How would anyone even know that others are on OSAP or financial assistance? It's obvious to spot the richest kids (cars/clothes/watches/other status symbols) but spotting the ones on OSAP or financial aid would be pretty hard I'd guess. Waterloo Mechanical Engineering '17 Applied: McGill :) :( :( :( Western :) Ivey :( U of T :) :) Waterloo :) :) :)
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AdJan wrote:TheConsultant wrote:lol financial assistance isnt "looked down upon" how does that even make sense. it is true that many of the students here are well off and yes our girls are attractive and well dressed. I believe I did include in my post; AdJan wrote:Course, rumours are rumours ya know. And I verified the invalidity of the rumors by making an absolute statement.
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I'm OSAP at Queen's and the funny thing is there are actually quite a few of the "rich kids" who are like "OSAP...what's that?" which I guess makes sense since they don't need it. Most of the friends I've made there aren't rich though and have loans...not sure if that's a coincidence or has something to do with class divide.
Yes there are the well-dressed blondes wearing Lulu Lemon and Canada Goose but I've seen lots of dressed down girls as well- and when exam period starts almost everyone's in sweats :P.
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I'd say it's more or less correlated to the amount of lululemon, hunter boots, and macbooks you see on campus. AKA Queen's, McGill and Western
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tukr wrote:I'd say it's more or less correlated to the amount of lululemon, hunter boots, and macbooks you see on campus. AKA Queen's, McGill and Western So only people whose parents make over $100,000/year can buy lululemons and macbooks? Waterloo Mechanical Engineering '17 Applied: McGill :) :( :( :( Western :) Ivey :( U of T :) :) Waterloo :) :) :)
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I was a student who went to Upper Canada College, an all-boys private school in Toronto. I now go to Western. Both my dad and uncles, as well as my grand-dad went to Upper Canada College. When your family has been going to private schools all these generations, your friends and social circle are naturally comprise from people who are in private schools and boarding schools nearest to you. From these social circles, most of my friends, as well as the older generations in my family, have attended Western, Queen's, and McGill. What had drawn me and my friends from the Toronto private school circles to these three schools, aside from their academics, are their social factors. McGill, being yes, the best school in Canada and well-known internationally. Queen's and Western are schools both far enough away from Toronto, with the city being easy to be able to reach to if you want to go home for the weekend. UofT and UBC, although great schools, contrary to popular belief, is not where a lot of us choose to go because we have been born and raised in these big cities all of our lives. More so, Western, McGill and Queen's are all beautiful schools with gothic collegiate architecture, more of a passion for myself than a lot of people, but I love going to a school that has a campus that resembles Hogwarts, like Western, rather than a commuter school like York. Because a lot of people from these private schools chose Western/Queens/McGill, it fuels the competition and rivalry between these schools. ex. Western vs. Queen's constant rivalry in everything and Queen's vs. McGill regatta. To answer your last question... Yes, it is possible. My parents didn't pay 30k a year for a private education so I would go to a school like Guelph. Like every school - private schools are no exception, there are inflation and deflation of grades. There are also specific private schools (lesser credibly ones, if anything) where students could "pay" for grades, aka easy work, easy mark, lots of money spent. It's a different social circle than kids who aren't wealthy, however at the same time wealthy kids are everywhere. This is only me and my friend's own observation regarding where our own family for generations have attended, and where we ourselves and each other, choose to go.
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iliketurtles wrote:tukr wrote:I'd say it's more or less correlated to the amount of lululemon, hunter boots, and macbooks you see on campus. AKA Queen's, McGill and Western So only people whose parents make over $100,000/year can buy lululemons and macbooks? Haha nah, I was kind of joking... But I guess, on the real here, walking around Queen's you do see a lot of pricey brand names, uggs, sweatpants with the words "JUICY" emblazoned across the back... because a lot of students at Queen's can afford it and they show it. Of course, you can't generalize by the number of macbooks you see at the library (which ok, is a lot), there's always the ones that don't qualify for OSAP but buy a PC anyways (well... me). Queen's definitely has a rich kid stereotype that's widely known, and actually highlighted here: http://oncampus.macleans...where-the-rich-kids-go/
http://oncampus.macleans...nt-plays-up-sterotypes/
McGill and Queen's often attract the wealthier students because of their "prestige". Especially McGill, which is known to be prestigious worldwide more than Queen's is, and attracts a really high proportion of international students. They have to be able to afford to pay their fees and can't really take out student loans because they are international students. However, at the same time Queen's is a school that is pretty well known to attract lots of students (and their parents) from the private school circuit. Queen's and Western have similar histories, backgrounds and settings, and of course many wealthy families will send multiples generations to these schools (kind of like legacies in the States, but not the same deal). Also, just something I've noticed - I find that my classmates from the wealthiest backgrounds are all pursuing business or life sci/eventually med school, as their parents are in business or medicine and making lots of money - all 3 of these schools have pretty strong business and medicine programs. That definitely won't be a trend all across the board, but it is where I live. And of course, you will always have wealthy kids regardless of the school.
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rushlog wrote: To answer your last question... Yes, it is possible. My parents didn't pay 30k a year for a private education so I would go to a school like Guelph. Like every school - private schools are no exception, there are inflation and deflation of grades. There are also specific private schools (lesser credibly ones, if anything) where students could "pay" for grades, aka easy work, easy mark, lots of money spent.
Do you not find it ironic that your high school tuition cost more than your university tuition? I don't think it's a bad thing or anything, I just find it really ironic that one year at UCC can cover a full BA/Bsc tuition or almost cover a fully Ivey tuition. Queen's statistically I think has the highest number of private school students. On my floor, it was pretty much half and half public vs private school kids. McGill might have an higher average of wealth as 20% of their students are international, and that's expensive tuition, as well as most Canadian students there are not native Montrealers. (Although I wonder if it's overall average is offset by the local Quebecers paying dirt cheap tuition..) But what is being said about Queen's here is slightly ridiculous. There is not pressure to look good here. I dress down because everyone rolls to class in sweats. They might be expensive sweats, but in the end they're still sweats. My friend once wore a shirt I wear as PJs out clubbing... I'm not going to deny that Queen's does have a more affluent student body, as most of us have to move to Kingston and living away from home is a large expense (which is why Western, another non-commuter school has a wealthy student body). But the people asking "what's OSAP" probably are asking because they're not from Ontario. I have OSAP, I've never had people make fun of me for it LOL. Nor have I ever felt outcasted for having less money than others. I have all the components of a Queen's bitty uniform (Uggs, hunters, lululemons, Goose, longchamp etc) and I take out OSAP loans every year so... looks can be deceiving :) But I guess lesson of this thread for the golddiggers: Go to Queen's, UWO and McGill! Queen's Arts 2014
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I know this thread is mostly referring to "rich kids" in Canada, but I would like to share my story with you guys. I went to a "prestigious and elitist" private girls' school outside Cananda and to tell you the truth, I was the only one who came to a Canadian university. None of them came to Canada because it's "easier" here and it's for those who failed school (I failed 6 out of 9 courses when I was in my non-Canadian school, I can't stand it so I came to Canada in grade 11). They all prefer to go to the States and the UK because they are more "prestigious". I did get a few smirks when old school mates asked me which uni I am studying in during school gatherings back home. To be honest, this "only rich kids go to good school" problem in Canada is not that serious compared to other countries in the world. Canadian universities are pretty much the same in terms of quality of education. Contrary to popular belief, U of T is more internationally recognized than McGill. I have never heard of McGill before I came to Canada, thus the reason why I only applied to UofT and not McGill. People here have not heard of McGill until recent years. There are rich kids in every school, and that includes UofT. They usually hang out in their own little bubble, so unless you are just like them then good luck in joining their club. I am sure not every rich kid is like that, but most of them don't really accept people not of their own kind unless you are very very intelligent and do well in courses. Just my two cents. UofT University College. Criminology, Psychology and Urban Studies 1T4
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dangel wrote:
Contrary to popular belief, U of T is more internationally recognized than McGill. I have never heard of McGill before I came to Canada, thus the reason why I only applied to UofT and not McGill. People here have not heard of McGill until recent years.
And where is "here" if I may ask? You =/= general population. McGill - Arts
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rushlog wrote:I was a student who went to Upper Canada College, an all-boys private school in Toronto. I now go to Western. Both my dad and uncles, as well as my grand-dad went to Upper Canada College. When your family has been going to private schools all these generations, your friends and social circle are naturally comprise from people who are in private schools and boarding schools nearest to you.
From these social circles, most of my friends, as well as the older generations in my family, have attended Western, Queen's, and McGill.
What had drawn me and my friends from the Toronto private school circles to these three schools, aside from their academics, are their social factors. McGill, being yes, the best school in Canada and well-known internationally. Queen's and Western are schools both far enough away from Toronto, with the city being easy to be able to reach to if you want to go home for the weekend. UofT and UBC, although great schools, contrary to popular belief, is not where a lot of us choose to go because we have been born and raised in these big cities all of our lives.
More so, Western, McGill and Queen's are all beautiful schools with gothic collegiate architecture, more of a passion for myself than a lot of people, but I love going to a school that has a campus that resembles Hogwarts, like Western, rather than a commuter school like York.
Because a lot of people from these private schools chose Western/Queens/McGill, it fuels the competition and rivalry between these schools. ex. Western vs. Queen's constant rivalry in everything and Queen's vs. McGill regatta.
To answer your last question... Yes, it is possible. My parents didn't pay 30k a year for a private education so I would go to a school like Guelph. Like every school - private schools are no exception, there are inflation and deflation of grades. There are also specific private schools (lesser credibly ones, if anything) where students could "pay" for grades, aka easy work, easy mark, lots of money spent.
It's a different social circle than kids who aren't wealthy, however at the same time wealthy kids are everywhere. This is only me and my friend's own observation regarding where our own family for generations have attended, and where we ourselves and each other, choose to go. Was it worth it, going to a top fee-paying school? I mean, in the end some Tom, Dick, or Harry that went through the government education system is going to be your compatriot in University, with the exact same chance of succeeding as you; for $300,000 less. I can think of better uses for that money. And there's no way in hell I'm going to show off how rich I am, just to attract some trash.
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LRooke wrote: Was it worth it, going to a top fee-paying school? I mean, in the end some Tom, Dick, or Harry that went through the government education system is going to be your compatriot in University, with the exact same chance of succeeding as you; for $300,000 less. I can think of better uses for that money.
And there's no way in hell I'm going to show off how rich I am, just to attract some trash.
lol you're obviously very inexperienced in life. Private school connections and the resulting good ol' boy, quid pro quo exists long after H.S. graduation and in the most career fields, especially those of power. I've seen some aimless college kids from private schools land internships/jobs/placement in programs that middle-class folks dream and work hard for their whole life (and the latter subsequently get rejected for the same positions).
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