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So yeah, ask any questions about Queens ConEd Program. Im applying in two years. I was wondering if you can do a study abroad program at queens while in the ConEd program. **Shields**
Accepted:
University of Toronto: Social Sciences + Vic One (Pearson Stream)
Carleton University: Honours Science
University of British Columbia: Arts
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Yes you definitely can do a year abroad :). You're only doing education courses 4/5 of the years, so you can take your placement on that one year with no education component. You can also do a placement abroad, but it's best to talk to the practicum office if you want to look into that opportunity. Queen's-Trent Concurrent Education, '14 (Trent B.Sc) and '15 (Queen's B.Ed)
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wow that is really helpful thank you :) do you think it is better to do concurrent or do a degree than go back for the one year teacher program? Also for concurrent at queens, what average do you realistically need to get in? I have TONS of extra curriculars. **Shields**
Accepted:
University of Toronto: Social Sciences + Vic One (Pearson Stream)
Carleton University: Honours Science
University of British Columbia: Arts
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If you know for sure you want to be a teacher, con.ed is definitely the way to go. First, you start on your professional journey much earlier so you can start amassing a killer portfolio to get a job. You also end up doing more weeks of placement which better prepares you for your job as a teacher and also gets you better connected with more principals. Yet another advantage is that you join a very fun and supportive community of future educators. The only disadvantage I see is that you end up paying slightly more for school because of the additional courses, but when you're talking about the overall cost of school the $2000 (total, not annually) you spend on extra tuition isn't much. As for entry average, I've heard mixed things. People with high 80s get accepted and people with 90s get declined. It really does depend on your PSE and education essay. It's really important that you stay focused in those to get to the true point of the admissions program - what have you done that show's you're (1) a well-rounded individual and (2) a good candidate to become a teacher? The quantity doesn't matter nearly as much as the quality from what I gather. Any other questions just ask and I'll be happy to respond :). Queen's-Trent Concurrent Education, '14 (Trent B.Sc) and '15 (Queen's B.Ed)
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hey karbear32, I have been accepted to Queen's con-ed. Realistically, I would think you would need to have a 90% or higher, unless you have ridiculously amazing extracurriculars. I was the kind of kid who did just bout every team, committee, or club, on student council, president of the environment club... Just keep good involvement and do well in school, and you should be okay. As for concurrent vs consecutive, think about what you want from your degree. Generally, concurrent gets you teaching practica starting year 1, so more overall experience. However, I have a friend doing consecutive so she can do her education degree abroad. Both are great choices, although it is nice to have that guaranteed Faculty of Education acceptance provided in concurrent. Queen's Con-Ed Arts- French (accepted)
Waterloo French Teaching Option (accepted)
Brescia@ Western French Teaching Option (accepted)
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All Queen's education students, con.ed or not, can do a placement abroad. You just have to see if you can afford the flight and accommodation. There will be more information on this as you go through your years at Queen's. Queen's-Trent Concurrent Education, '14 (Trent B.Sc) and '15 (Queen's B.Ed)
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wow thank you guys so much!! this really has helped me. I definetly have a lot to think about! **Shields**
Accepted:
University of Toronto: Social Sciences + Vic One (Pearson Stream)
Carleton University: Honours Science
University of British Columbia: Arts
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Yes you definitely do karbear, haha! If you have any questions about Queen's con.ed (or Queen's-Trent, of course) I'll be more than happy to answer what I can. The program structure is nearly identical for the two programs so I know a lot of the details from an education perspective. The only things I don't know are Queen's-specific, especially degree requirements for your B.Sc or B.A. Another thing to consider when browsing through different con.ed programs is that not all programs start their placements in year 1 as Megsoleil mentioned. A good example of this is Brock's con.ed program that doesn't start their placement until much later. Look into that when you're shopping around for schools because I found that I learned much more on my short 10-day placement in first year than I did in 2 entire semesters of education theory classes. Queen's-Trent Concurrent Education, '14 (Trent B.Sc) and '15 (Queen's B.Ed)
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I'm hoping for Queen's Con-Ed with a bachelor in Arts :) What's the average and prerequisites? Anybody? Going into Grade 12
Applied To:
Queen's: Arts
Waterloo: Honours Arts
UofT: Humanities
OCAD: Draw & Painting
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mallaroid wrote:I'm hoping for Queen's Con-Ed with a bachelor in Arts :)
What's the average and prerequisites? Anybody? The average cutoff is a 87. After that it doesn't matter how high your average is, it's all based on the PSE and I'm pretty sure con ed has another essay you have to write.
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im definateli gona go for concurrent, & queens looks lke the best uni for it so far (:
i understand the cut off is 87%, and i know wit my advanced functions mark this coming gr.12 year will pull it down fo sure
& i saw the admission requirements is just english & 2 U courses.
shud i drop the math & just take data so i'll have a higher average?
im also involved in school clubs & did children summer camp every summer since gr.8 & swimming instructor for a year.
if i end wit a high 80s average is it realistic to get in?
thankssssssss
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Hey karenlam, Being real, high 80s is not very competitive for the arts stream, but if you're going for science then you MAY be competitive. For Queen's, getting above a 90 average is somewhat important - I don't know very many people who got in without it, and most of the people I do know who had that were waitlisted. Of course this could be a distorted perspective of reality, so take my experience for what it is. If Queen's con.ed is a program that really appeals to you, then consider also applying for the Queen's-Trent con.ed program. Essentially it's the EXACT same program with a slightly lower entry average (mid-80's is competitive with a good PSE). The difference is merely where you end up doing the first 4 years of the program. Trent is a smaller school than Queen's, but there are certain benefits to that as well (i.e. con.ed students take many of the same classes, and there are proportionately more con.ed students in Trent so you'll be in class with other con.ed students). Of course there are other options that don't need a 90 average throughout Ontario as well that are all definitely viable options. Consider Brock, Nipissing, York and Windsor who all have concurrent programs. Queen's-Trent Concurrent Education, '14 (Trent B.Sc) and '15 (Queen's B.Ed)
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I am currently a grade 11 student, that is very interested in the Queen's Con Ed program. However, I am a little confused as to how they look at your average.. Do I send in an average with my PSE? If so, is it only based on your grade 12 - first semester marks or are your grade eleven marks taken into consideration?
Thank you, Leah :)
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If you go to high school in Ontario then your guidance department will send in your marks. There will be questions for you to answer on your PSE - you don't have to worry about formulating any sort of response right now. As for your grade 11 marks, they are used if and only if Queen's wants to consider you for early admission. Otherwise, it's all riding on grade 12 courses. Queen's-Trent Concurrent Education, '14 (Trent B.Sc) and '15 (Queen's B.Ed)
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Hey Leah I'm in Queen's Con-Ed right now and I thought I could give a little more detail on how Queen's looks at your average. Baba is absolutly right about how Queen's will get your marks. As far as how Queen's looks at your grade 11 marks, the simple answer is, they don't. Queen's has several highly competitive programs, including Con-Ed, for which the academic component of addmissions considerations is based on, generally, grade 12 marks only. The exception to this are major entrance award winners, who are generally accpeted much earlier and potentially on the basis of grade 11 marks. Once the first set of gr. 12 marks come in, some admissions may go out, supported by consistancy in the gr. 11 marks, but Queen's will often wait until receiving the second round of mark updates (usually around early April) to really start rolling out batches of acceptances. The other exciting thing is that our program is growing! Queen's is increasing the number of first year spots. At the moment, no one is really sure how this will effect the admissions average. My year is the largest class they have had so far, and also had the highest admissions average, but it could easily go the other way. No matter what, we are all very excited to spread more Con-Ed love. Work hard, be involved in your school and community, and strive to be the best you can be. That's all Queen's can ask of you, and all you can expect of yourself. Good luck! QUEEN'S CON-ED CLASS OF 2015
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What you say makes me mad Fawlkes. We should be making less spots, not more. This is considering how many unemployed teachers are in Ontario at the present moment. Queen's-Trent Concurrent Education, '14 (Trent B.Sc) and '15 (Queen's B.Ed)
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I agree, which is why, thankfully, Queen's isn't upping the number of graduates from the faculty of education. For every spot they create in Con-Ed, a spot will be taken out of the consecutive program. The logic is that a greater percentage of people applying to Con-Ed truely WANT to become teachers, as opposed to the many people who apply to teachers college as a fall back after completeing an undergraduate degree. So they aren't upping the number of teachers, but they are trying to up the number of passionate and critically reflective teachers. :) QUEEN'S CON-ED CLASS OF 2015
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Now that you word it like that, I think I'd already heard about the change. I like it. I personally think that the majority of spots at every institution should be con.ed spots as opposed to consecutive, if for no other reasons than the ones you've mentioned above. Queen's-Trent Concurrent Education, '14 (Trent B.Sc) and '15 (Queen's B.Ed)
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Fawlkes wrote:I agree, which is why, thankfully, Queen's isn't upping the number of graduates from the faculty of education. For every spot they create in Con-Ed, a spot will be taken out of the consecutive program. The logic is that a greater percentage of people applying to Con-Ed truely WANT to become teachers, as opposed to the many people who apply to teachers college as a fall back after completeing an undergraduate degree. So they aren't upping the number of teachers, but they are trying to up the number of passionate and critically reflective teachers. :) I think that's a good idea. :) I have quite a few questions. Firstly, how big are the classes at Queens? I guess it might average from class to class, but I'm just wondering. And how are the profs? Also, is it true that Queen's is a party school? My mom told me that and now she does not want me going there, haha. And is there anywhere I can find out more about the clubs at Queens? Aside from the list in the viewbook? I'm just curious. My other questions are PSE related. Do awards earned in elementary school within the past 4 years count? Also, I know I asked this before, but what's the difference between volunteering and unpaid employment? If I tutor for an organization and I do private tutoring as well, should I write those as two separate things? (Sorry for all the questions. I'm freaking out right now after bombing my Mac Artsci application. If I don't get into Con. Ed, I guess I'm taking a gap year... )
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I'll let someone else answer the question about class size, but it's pretty typical for the size of the university. As for party school, the answer is yes. Queen's definitely parties hard. What you can tell your mom is that there will be parties wherever you go (a university without keggers every weekend is non-existent). What you can tell her is that you have the will-power to resist the urge to attend these and will still take your studies very seriously. The fact that Queen's is known to be a party school only matters if you go to the parties and make poor decisions. To learn more about the clubs at Queen's, go to http://myams.org/. That's the Queen's student government website. There is a tab for clubs that you can look under to see what you would be interested in. Past 4 years indicates they want something more recent. Putting them would show that you haven't done enough recently. Instead, try highlighting more recent awards and activities. As for the volunteer vs. unpaid employment, volunteer indicates that it was a repeated commitment that they would've been sad if they didn't see you (i.e. going EVERY WEEK to a hospital to volunteer - committed long-term), whereas a "volunteer" experience could be a one-off event you helped with, or a committee that you were a part of. Really, it's all open to how you interpret your experiences. As for the 2 tutoring jobs, I would just use 1. Queen's likes to see diversity in your experiences. Queen's-Trent Concurrent Education, '14 (Trent B.Sc) and '15 (Queen's B.Ed)
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