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randint wrote:So, there are several things:
1. Is it better to declare CS major in 2B? (CS245, CS246 are for Honours Mathematics Students) for the purpose of reducing tuition?
2. How feasible is my first year plan? It looks like this:
Semester 1A: MATH 145 MATH 147 CS 145 PHYS 121 + 131L MTHEL 131
Semester 1B: MATH 146 MATH 148 CS 146 PHYS 122 + 132L + 124
3. If I do not declare CO (or any math) major, I could just take random CO, PMATH, AMATH courses? 1. Assuming you can maintain high enough grades to get into CS and you have a math offer going in, I suppose you could do this. I did this, but it wasn't with the intent of reducing tuition. CS has more entrance scholarships than math, as far as I know, so I think it balances out. 2. Looks pretty doable to me. I really wouldn't recommend the physics labs, though. I haven't heard from anyone that they were useful/interesting/enjoyable. 3. Yes. The only majors that restrict enrollment in their courses to declared majors in math are CS and Actsci.
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Ooooooooooooops nvmd I just read the CS minor requirements, engineering math courses can be used. HOWEVER I'm still curious as to whether people do this? Waterloo Mechanical Engineering '17 Applied: McGill :) :( :( :( Western :) Ivey :( U of T :) :) Waterloo :) :) :)
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xtremepi wrote:What happens when they can't answer specific questions?( i mean here math questions) Do they just ignore it? This might be a silly question but, you know, I wanna know if almost 1 k per course is worth it. They usually will look up an answer and get back to you, assuming it wasn't a stupid question. Normally if they don't know the answer, it wasn't a stupid question, and they'll be interested in finding you an answer. Also, math tuition is not 1k per course... you're thinking of CS. It's a good amount less. xtremepi wrote:It is "recommended" since that's my goal. I've been given credits for MATH 135 and MATH 137, doesn't that make me a 1b student when talking about math? If I go as a regular student I will be extremely bored and I will waste a lot of money and time. Doesn't matter why... I would like to take 4 math courses per term and deal with the non-math at the end of my graduation because I loose interest in most of the things when doing math. I know people say I'm narrow, but actually it's totally different imo. Well I mean, if your goal is to take courses without having the foundation to take them, then sure. I'm saying it's not recommended unless all you're doing is reading about math in your free time, such that you have the foundation to be able to take these courses. I guess you said you already took MATH 135/137... I believe you will find that the advanced math courses are not boring nor a waste of your time at all. You can shunt your non-math courses to the end, but then you'll have to take terms upon terms of non-math courses, which sounds equally lousy. Also remember that the workload for these math courses is quite heavy. If you want to do what you seem to be claiming (and I know people taking 6 math courses a semester, not even 4), you will almost certainly not have time for other things outside of school. xtremepi wrote:I know that u have to declare anything of value that u hold. I live in Kitchener on a bus route, but that's not the problem, the problem is when I have to be on the other side of the tri-city area for some personal reasons and I have to switch 2-3 buses and wait in a bus station for dozens of minutes or when I need to get out of the tri-city area. What other costs besides the insurance, gas, and parking near my home do you know that I might have? Also how's the parking at UW? Do I have to pay for it?
Parking at UW you need to pay for. It's also very full, not the best situation. Taking the occasional taxi is probably much less in terms of cost than driving, unless needing to get around quickly is a daily occurrence. Gas, insurance, parking, and maintenance are extremely expensive... remember that if you have an older car, it is going to eat lots of maintenance costs, and for those periods you'll have no car.
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beethoven123 wrote:I have a couple of questions:
1. What exactly do you mean by personal development and academic career? Do you learn more (about programming/compsci) in CS(all advanced courses) than in SE?
2. Is it true that SE students tend to get better jobs and why?
3. Is there a point in getting a masters/phd degree in CS (at UofT or at some more prestigious American university)? Would it help you get jobs or gets you better jobs? It seems like CS would be better than SE for graduate studies.
Thank you so much for your inputs! 1. You'll learn more by challenging yourself with advanced-level courses and advanced mathematics. You'll teach yourself how to think much better than a person in SE will have the opportunity to pursue. You certainly won't learn more about programming in CS than in SE, but I'd argue that you have the opportunity to learn more valuable things if you choose to. 2. Not true. Jobs are equivalent. 3. You should pursue higher education if it interests you. It's completely unnecessary for a career in the tech industry. It's also very likely to be more abstract/mathematical, so yes, CS might be a better choice for grad school prep since you get more math foundation.
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iliketurtles wrote:Is it possible to do a computer science minor with mechanical engineering? The math that engineers take is different from the math/cs math courses, so will it be pretty much impossible to get a minor? In terms of getting the equivalent knowledge of a minor in mecheng, I think that's doable. But I don't think you have the flexibility to get the minor requirements themselves. You'd also be forced into taking some pretty lousy courses to do it as a non-CS major.
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hello :) I am going to uw for cs this sept.. 1.Is any chance to switch from cs coop to cs and math double degree? Is it really hard to do so ? Even if I did switch to double degree, would I have a lot to catch up with other DD students?
2. Have you seen any people transfer from cs regular to cs coop?
Thanks in Advance
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Accepted my Waterloo Mathematics offer. A question regarding the AS Exams.. An an average, when do the students in the Actuarial Science write their 1st exam? Is it the 2nd year? University of Waterloo Mathematics [Actuarial Science/ Financial Analysis And Risk Management], Class of 2017
If you have any questions regarding admission or 1st year life in Math, FARM or CS at uWaterloo, feel free to inbox me.
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lesarou wrote:hello :) I am going to uw for cs this sept.. 1.Is any chance to switch from cs coop to cs and math double degree? Is it really hard to do so ? Even if I did switch to double degree, would I have a lot to catch up with other DD students?
2. Have you seen any people transfer from cs regular to cs coop?
Thanks in Advance There is no Math & CS double degree. You can do a double major in a math discipline and CS like greygoose is. If you are talking about the double degrees with Math/CS and a BBA at Laurier then you can transfer as long as you take the right electives and have high marks. Normally people don't transfer into DD - http://mathbus.uwaterloo.ca/First_Year_Courses.htmUW/WLU Math/Business DD - 2016 President - Double Degree Club
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lesarou wrote:hello :) I am going to uw for cs this sept.. 1.Is any chance to switch from cs coop to cs and math double degree? Is it really hard to do so ? Even if I did switch to double degree, would I have a lot to catch up with other DD students?
2. Have you seen any people transfer from cs regular to cs coop?
Thanks in Advance I was planning on switching into Math/BBA DD at the end of this year. Then I took business courses, realized how silly business courses are, and decided against it. Only do business if it interests you.
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Haha, you know that business courses could be useless, especially if you are more of a Math/CS person. Anyhow, people are crazy to take 4 (or 6) MATH/AMATH/PMATH/CO/CS/ACTSC courses per semester (unless you double major within the Math Faculty). Well, I'm going to double-major in Computer Science/Combinatorics and Optimization. The type of thing that you expect: 1st year: 2 algebra, 2 calculus, 2 computer science, 4 electives 2nd year: 1 algebra, 1 calculus, 5 computer science, 2 statistics, 1 introduction to combinatorics, 2 electives ...... this is obviously CS major, for other math majors, you probably start doing other things (such as ACTSC, PMATH, AMATH...) ...... This is a very heavy course load, I plan to complete the non-math requirements as early as I can to avoid trouble in the end (hint, they are still highly math-related). Greygoose says that PHYS XXX courses sucked, but many of them are avaliable as online courses...   Class of 2017Applied to 01 University of Waterloo - Mathematics (Co-op) - Major Area of Interest: Combinatorics and Optimization [Alternate Offer of Admission - Honours Mathematics, Regular, Combinatorics and Optimization] [2013-05-07] [OFFER ACCEPTED]02 University of Toronto - St. George - Faculty of Arts and Science - Studies in Computer Science [Conditional Offer of Admission - 2013-02-13] [OFFER DECLINED]03 McMaster University - Mathematics and Statistics I - Major Area of Interest: Mathematics/Computer Science [Conditional Offer of Admission - 2013-04-24] [OFFER CANNOT BE DECLINED]Current top 6 average: 85 (I attend a non-semestered school) Razear is found dead at around 9 PM on May 19, 2013, his body is buried in
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greygoose wrote:beethoven123 wrote:I have a couple of questions:
1. What exactly do you mean by personal development and academic career? Do you learn more (about programming/compsci) in CS(all advanced courses) than in SE?
2. Is it true that SE students tend to get better jobs and why?
3. Is there a point in getting a masters/phd degree in CS (at UofT or at some more prestigious American university)? Would it help you get jobs or gets you better jobs? It seems like CS would be better than SE for graduate studies.
Thank you so much for your inputs! 1. You'll learn more by challenging yourself with advanced-level courses and advanced mathematics. You'll teach yourself how to think much better than a person in SE will have the opportunity to pursue. You certainly won't learn more about programming in CS than in SE, but I'd argue that you have the opportunity to learn more valuable things if you choose to. 2. Not true. Jobs are equivalent. 3. You should pursue higher education if it interests you. It's completely unnecessary for a career in the tech industry. It's also very likely to be more abstract/mathematical, so yes, CS might be a better choice for grad school prep since you get more math foundation. Thanks! Now I am leaning towards CS instead of SE. Just out of curiosity, how many CS/SE students go on to pursue graduate degrees at well-known American grad schools such as MIT and Stanford? It seems like Waterloo's coop might deter people from research and academia. Also, I compared courses for both programs. What does it mean that CS degree requires 5.0 non-math credits (10 courses)? Are there any relevant non-math courses you can take? Would that be a waste of time compared to SE's more relevant courses (eg ECE)?
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Hey! So I got accepted into compsci, math and business/CS DD. I'm not liking the idea of the double degree because of the work load. Out of CS and Math which one is more flexible? Say I Major in CS, can I still have the option to change my major to Math if I find the math courses more interesting? Also, when do I choose if I do normal or advanced math classes? Basically, I have no idea what I am interested in because I really liked computer class/algorithms but that was 2 years ago. How am I supposed to know if I will enjoy/excel at University-level math if all I know is the simple high-school stuff. I'm pretty scared that UW is filled with math geniuses and I'll be expected to be one too - I liked math and computer classes the most in high school (slightly less boring than the others) but I really don't understand how I will know if I'll like the stuff in University...
I think what I really want to know is which one should I do as a Major and which one as a minor! haha...
Thanks, :)
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sinsterizme wrote:Hey! So I got accepted into compsci, math and business/CS DD. I'm not liking the idea of the double degree because of the work load. Out of CS and Math which one is more flexible? Say I Major in CS, can I still have the option to change my major to Math if I find the math courses more interesting? Also, when do I choose if I do normal or advanced math classes? Basically, I have no idea what I am interested in because I really liked computer class/algorithms but that was 2 years ago. How am I supposed to know if I will enjoy/excel at University-level math if all I know is the simple high-school stuff. I'm pretty scared that UW is filled with math geniuses and I'll be expected to be one too - I liked math and computer classes the most in high school (slightly less boring than the others) but I really don't understand how I will know if I'll like the stuff in University...
I think what I really want to know is which one should I do as a Major and which one as a minor! haha...
Thanks, :)
You can double-major in Math and Computer Science, you know.   Class of 2017Applied to 01 University of Waterloo - Mathematics (Co-op) - Major Area of Interest: Combinatorics and Optimization [Alternate Offer of Admission - Honours Mathematics, Regular, Combinatorics and Optimization] [2013-05-07] [OFFER ACCEPTED]02 University of Toronto - St. George - Faculty of Arts and Science - Studies in Computer Science [Conditional Offer of Admission - 2013-02-13] [OFFER DECLINED]03 McMaster University - Mathematics and Statistics I - Major Area of Interest: Mathematics/Computer Science [Conditional Offer of Admission - 2013-04-24] [OFFER CANNOT BE DECLINED]Current top 6 average: 85 (I attend a non-semestered school) Razear is found dead at around 9 PM on May 19, 2013, his body is buried in
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Hi, I was just wondering, if I have a 87 on Euclid, will waterloo offer me any extra scholarships other than the $2000 entrance, if so, how much do you think they will offer me? I applied to Math.
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freidtchy wrote:Hi, I was just wondering, if I have a 87 on Euclid, will waterloo offer me any extra scholarships other than the $2000 entrance, if so, how much do you think they will offer me? I applied to Math. You'll probably get something, but it isn't just based on the Euclid. They also consider your AIF, and I think your marks. You'll likely get something in the mail soon. that's how they notified me about it last year. It can be anything from 2000 for 1 year, to 2000 for 4 years (so 8000 overall). UW/WLU Math/Business DD - 2016 President - Double Degree Club
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Matthew wrote:lesarou wrote:hello :) I am going to uw for cs this sept.. 1.Is any chance to switch from cs coop to cs and math double degree? Is it really hard to do so ? Even if I did switch to double degree, would I have a lot to catch up with other DD students?
2. Have you seen any people transfer from cs regular to cs coop?
Thanks in Advance I was planning on switching into Math/BBA DD at the end of this year. Then I took business courses, realized how silly business courses are, and decided against it. Only do business if it interests you. Thank you for advices ;), I really dont like doing business...
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KevinR wrote:1. How's the commute from off campus 2. On the AIF do I include any medical issues that might have hindered my performance? If so do they take this into consideration? My medical issue being insomnia if that matters. 1. Not bad at all? Presumably you'd get housing around a 10-15 commute to campus, and wouldn't be coming in from Kitchener or something. Mine is like a 10 minute bus ride, or a 15 minute walk. 2. Yes, you should put all that stuff on there. But weren't the AIFs due already? lesarou wrote:hello :) I am going to uw for cs this sept.. 1.Is any chance to switch from cs coop to cs and math double degree? Is it really hard to do so ? Even if I did switch to double degree, would I have a lot to catch up with other DD students?
2. Have you seen any people transfer from cs regular to cs coop?
Thanks in Advance 1. I'm reasonably sure that's not possible, because of the courses at Laurier you'd be missing during your first term at minimum. The program is very tight in terms of fitting in all the requirements. 2. No I haven't, though I know it's possible. There's also us regular students that work in the summer, doing co-op-esque jobs.
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utkarsh wrote:Accepted my Waterloo Mathematics offer. A question regarding the AS Exams.. An an average, when do the students in the Actuarial Science write their 1st exam? Is it the 2nd year? Normally I think people start them around the summer of their first year, or the beginning of their second year. beethoven123 wrote:Thanks! Now I am leaning towards CS instead of SE.
Just out of curiosity, how many CS/SE students go on to pursue graduate degrees at well-known American grad schools such as MIT and Stanford? It seems like Waterloo's coop might deter people from research and academia.
Also, I compared courses for both programs. What does it mean that CS degree requires 5.0 non-math credits (10 courses)? Are there any relevant non-math courses you can take? Would that be a waste of time compared to SE's more relevant courses (eg ECE)? I am really not sure. I mean, I know someone personally who went to MIT after going to UW for his undergrad and master's, but I couldn't give you a number or anything. People are able to do this, I'll put it that way. But most people going to UW are more career focused vs. academically focused on the CS side. The CS degree requires 10 non-math courses, as do all programs in the math faculty (except SE, obviously). There are lots of good non-math courses you can take: language courses, some upper year English courses, history courses, some good chemistry courses, etc. I would say that it is absolutely not a waste of time. It's a way to make yourself become better rounded. I think the engineering approach with blinders is not the best for producing all-around well-rounded individuals.
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sinsterizme wrote:Hey! So I got accepted into compsci, math and business/CS DD. I'm not liking the idea of the double degree because of the work load. Out of CS and Math which one is more flexible? Math. sinsterizme wrote:Say I Major in CS, can I still have the option to change my major to Math if I find the math courses more interesting? Of course. But your major for math is more of a bookkeeping thing than anything else. In CS, you must be declared, otherwise you can't take CS major courses. sinsterizme wrote:Also, when do I choose if I do normal or advanced math classes? Basically, I have no idea what I am interested in because I really liked computer class/algorithms but that was 2 years ago. How am I supposed to know if I will enjoy/excel at University-level math if all I know is the simple high-school stuff. I'm pretty scared that UW is filled with math geniuses and I'll be expected to be one too - I liked math and computer classes the most in high school (slightly less boring than the others) but I really don't understand how I will know if I'll like the stuff in University...
I think what I really want to know is which one should I do as a Major and which one as a minor! haha...
Thanks, :) You choose the advanced math courses within the first two weeks of classes. You can't really predict your performance, so at this point, there's no point worrying about it. Be prepared to put in a lot of effort. UW is filled with math geniuses, but there aren't as many as you're led to believe. You probably won't feel pressured, unless you're in the advanced math classes, but then you're also with the top 5% or so of students, so it's unfair to call yourself stupid if you're not at the top. CS kind of sucks as a minor; you can only access the good courses by declaring a major. But you'll probably know by the end of your first year what you want to pursue, and that's the year you don't have to declare. freidtchy wrote:Hi, I was just wondering, if I have a 87 on Euclid, will waterloo offer me any extra scholarships other than the $2000 entrance, if so, how much do you think they will offer me? I applied to Math. Probably at least 5k? I don't know. But they very likely will offer you something.
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Thanks a lot greygoose! One more quick question if you don't mind. Quote:CS kind of sucks as a minor; you can only access the good courses by declaring a major. But you'll probably know by the end of your first year what you want to pursue, and that's the year you don't have to declare. So basically if I accept the CS offer, I'll be able to take the same courses as if I accepted the Math offer my first year? Cheers
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