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greygoose wrote:Voivode wrote:Are there any other courses that are often magicked or that you would recommend magicking? (If I'm using that word correctly...)
Also, why are PMATH 345 and 346 being replaced? Magicking into? You mean overriding? Well, CS doesn't usually allow that, so I'm not sure I can provide any real reasonable answer without some more detail on your part... Good question, re: the third year algebras. PMATH 345 and 346 are being replaced for a lot of reasons. First, they are not a prerequisite chain, so a lot of material ends up getting covered twice, which is bad, and wastes time. Second, they are being reworked such that they're more in line with the top math curricula in Canada (UBC, UofT). Galois theory prior to the new third year algebra core was taught in fourth year; it's now moving to 3B. Some new material is being added to them, they'll go at a bit of a faster pace, etc. Third, they wanted to fix the streaming problems. PMATH 346 was a prerequisite for many courses, but only offered once a year. Now, PMATH 347, its replacement, will serve as that prereq, and it's being offered F/S, with the successor course used as a prerequisite in few cases, offered once a year in winter. Yeah. I mean, I think you mentioned taking MATH 249 and PMATH 352 in the 1B term, and you mentioned doing PMATH 432 instead of CS 245. Are there any other common overrides that occur at Waterloo?
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Any recommendations for first-year electives in Honours CS Co-op?
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If you have taken Physics/Biology/Chemistry in high school, you can take those as your electives. Recommended for people who hate the depth and breadth requirements: do a minor out of the thing that you like, as long as it is not in the Faculty of Mathematics.   Class of 2017Applied to 01 University of Waterloo - Mathematics (Co-op) - Major Area of Interest: Combinatorics and Optimization [Alternate Offer of Admission - Honours Mathematics, Regular, Combinatorics and Optimization] [2013-05-07] [OFFER ACCEPTED]02 University of Toronto - St. George - Faculty of Arts and Science - Studies in Computer Science [Conditional Offer of Admission - 2013-02-13] [OFFER DECLINED]03 McMaster University - Mathematics and Statistics I - Major Area of Interest: Mathematics/Computer Science [Conditional Offer of Admission - 2013-04-24] [OFFER CANNOT BE DECLINED]Current top 6 average: 85 (I attend a non-semestered school) Razear is found dead at around 9 PM on May 19, 2013, his body is buried in
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xtremepi wrote:I said that CS 145 is very important to me, I don't know why would you say this. How could I accept such a thing without even understanding why? I understand that, and I told you why. Since you did not take the Euclid or CCC, there is no automatic option to enroll in the advanced courses, and there is no way to get around that for now. You will be able to enroll in these courses once you've arrived at Waterloo. xtremepi wrote:I haven't mentioned that I'm going to school for marks, I just doubt that I would get from UW what I want because I don't have any idea what's behind the curtains and this is because I've been in Canada for not even a year. It's a huge risk. UW is a great school, especially for mathematics. There's a lot of opportunities you'll get here that you won't get anywhere else. This is why we have so many international students. I came here from across the country--from 3500km away. That's farther than moving across the Atlantic to Europe. But I assure you, it's worth it :P xtremepi wrote:My question is : what's more important in the job market?connections or skill? (even tough I'm 90 % towards research ) In research, your skills are almost all that matters, though you need to find someone to work with in order to *do* the research. (If no one's willing to fund you or set up a project for you, you're out of luck.) In the job market, it's a real mix. Highly technical positions require you to have a very strong skillset. But really competitive positions won't even look at your resume half the time--it pays to know people to get in. I'm pretty good at the whole "networking" thing, and it got me an interview at Google this semester, offers from two startups, and a job at RIM. But don't think that doesn't mean I don't know what I'm doing--I have a very strong technical skillbase. For jobs that don't require the technical skills, connections matter more. Business and that kind of thing.
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Voivode wrote:Yeah. I mean, I think you mentioned taking MATH 249 and PMATH 352 in the 1B term, and you mentioned doing PMATH 432 instead of CS 245. Are there any other common overrides that occur at Waterloo? Ehh, well, PMATH 352 in 1B tends to get mixed results. Most people aren't really ready for it. MATH 249 tends to be fine. I overrode out of the AMATH 250 corequisite for PHYS 234 (really, I just shouldn't have taken that course...). I also overrode the level requirement ("at least 3A") for CO 487. There's all sorts of things you can do, depending on your interests.
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mhz wrote:Any recommendations for first-year electives in Honours CS Co-op? I would seriously recommend doing some upper year English or history courses. If that seems like a little too much work for you, the introductory language courses are all really great. The second year chem courses and beyond I've heard are pretty good (in particular, CHEM 212). I hated the physics courses I took. ECON 101 and 102 with Larry Smith are always a hit.
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Can you override AMATH 231 for PHYS 242 if you finish MATH 247?   Class of 2017Applied to 01 University of Waterloo - Mathematics (Co-op) - Major Area of Interest: Combinatorics and Optimization [Alternate Offer of Admission - Honours Mathematics, Regular, Combinatorics and Optimization] [2013-05-07] [OFFER ACCEPTED]02 University of Toronto - St. George - Faculty of Arts and Science - Studies in Computer Science [Conditional Offer of Admission - 2013-02-13] [OFFER DECLINED]03 McMaster University - Mathematics and Statistics I - Major Area of Interest: Mathematics/Computer Science [Conditional Offer of Admission - 2013-04-24] [OFFER CANNOT BE DECLINED]Current top 6 average: 85 (I attend a non-semestered school) Razear is found dead at around 9 PM on May 19, 2013, his body is buried in
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greygoose wrote:Voivode wrote:Yeah. I mean, I think you mentioned taking MATH 249 and PMATH 352 in the 1B term, and you mentioned doing PMATH 432 instead of CS 245. Are there any other common overrides that occur at Waterloo? Ehh, well, PMATH 352 in 1B tends to get mixed results. Most people aren't really ready for it. MATH 249 tends to be fine. I overrode out of the AMATH 250 corequisite for PHYS 234 (really, I just shouldn't have taken that course...). I also overrode the level requirement ("at least 3A") for CO 487. There's all sorts of things you can do, depending on your interests. Just out of curiosity, what was so distasteful about PHYS 234? Also, would CO 255 and/or AMATH 251 be alright to try and override into? For reference, by the time I graduate high school, I will have taken Multivariable Calculus, Linear Algebra, and Differential Equations, though I really want to take the (presumably) proof-based advanced level versions of them. Also, how hard is PMATH 351? Or PMATH 360? What about CS 475?
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1. Can you give me an opinion about each one of these courses: - ENGL 119 Communications in Mathematics & Computer Science - SPCOM 223 Public Speaking - BIO239 Genetics - SCI206 The Physics of How Things Work - AFM101 Introduction to Financial Accounting
2. Any recommendations for good BUS/AFM/ECON courses?
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Greygoose, as a PMATH-CS joint major, do you think taking reduced number of PMATH courses would decrease the chance of getting into prestigeous postgraduate schools? Or taking the courses of research interest would just be fine? (For instance, one does not need to know substantially about logic if his/her research interests are analysis, but the 300-level core PMATH courses would be enough?)
Now a more trivial question, which LaTeX do you prefer to use? I personally like Texmaker.
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randint wrote:Can you override AMATH 231 for PHYS 242 if you finish MATH 247? Maybe? I don't know. AMATH 231 and MATH 247 cover radically different material. It's gotten to the point where AMATH and Physics recommend taking MATH 237 instead of 247, because they're "too different".
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Voivode wrote:Just out of curiosity, what was so distasteful about PHYS 234?
Also, would CO 255 and/or AMATH 251 be alright to try and override into? For reference, by the time I graduate high school, I will have taken Multivariable Calculus, Linear Algebra, and Differential Equations, though I really want to take the (presumably) proof-based advanced level versions of them.
Also, how hard is PMATH 351? Or PMATH 360? What about CS 475? I imagine AMATH 251 would be worth taking. AMATH 250 was complete crap, but the new advanced version I'm hoping will be worthwhile? CO 255 you need a good understanding of lin alg 2/calc 3 material, so I don't see any reason to override into it. That seems silly. Besides, its offerings are designed such that you take it in your 2B semester, after those two courses. PMATH 351 - Dunno, am taking it next semester. Pretty hard, but I've heard the difficulty varies. It's one of the weeder classes for people doing direct entry to PMATH (e.g. without advanced math courses). PMATH 360 - Is that the geometry course? Don't know. CS 475 - Absolutely no idea.
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todayistheday wrote:1. Can you give me an opinion about each one of these courses: - ENGL 119 Communications in Mathematics & Computer Science - SPCOM 223 Public Speaking - BIO239 Genetics - SCI206 The Physics of How Things Work - AFM101 Introduction to Financial Accounting
2. Any recommendations for good BUS/AFM/ECON courses? Well, you're asking for opinions explicitly, so prepare yourself.... - ENGL 119 Communications in Mathematics & Computer Science Waste of time. - SPCOM 223 Public Speaking Probably silly, another waste of time. - BIO239 Genetics I think this is a biology major course, so it might be really neat. - SCI206 The Physics of How Things Work A hilarious bird course. Very worth taking if you need easy science credit. - AFM101 Introduction to Financial Accounting Complete waste of time. Unless you're interested in accounting. In which case, do your designation after your undergrad. As for "good BUS/AFM" courses, I will assert that none exist. Good ECON courses? I don't think UW has any of those either at the undergrad level, but as I mentioned above, Larry Smith's ECON 101/102 are pretty worthwhile.
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waterfall wrote:Greygoose, as a PMATH-CS joint major, do you think taking reduced number of PMATH courses would decrease the chance of getting into prestigeous postgraduate schools? Or taking the courses of research interest would just be fine? (For instance, one does not need to know substantially about logic if his/her research interests are analysis, but the 300-level core PMATH courses would be enough?)
Now a more trivial question, which LaTeX do you prefer to use? I personally like Texmaker.
What do you mean, a reduced number of PMATH courses? There is a specific number you need to graduate, and that is a very large number. Taking more than that I think is overkill. Better to spread out and take some nice, hard CO courses. Remember, Waterloo's CO department is much more world-renowned than its PMATH department (though its PMATH dept is pretty good). Taking those courses will give you a big advantage, particularly the 4th year level "requires 80% average" ones. I type out my LaTeX code in vim, and use pdflatex to generate my tex documents. I've gotten a little bit nerdy with it, and I'm pretty swift at things now. I have my own package of macros I've defined for myself, which includes a custom math environment, etc.
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You see, I have actually noticed that, MATH 247 has a completely different course description in comparison to MATH 237. This usually does not happen with the advanced core math courses, instead, they usually say "MATH X4X is an advanced-level version of MATH X3X"; also, MATH 237 and 247 are not explicitly stated as antirequisites of each other, where as other X4X courses are always the antirequisites of X3X versions. So, another question would be: do they deviate MATH 145/147 from 135/137 a little, then a bit more by the time you get to 146/148 in comparison to 136/138, and then completely change what you learn in 245/247/249 in comparison to 235/237/239? Why do 247 and 237 differ so much?   Class of 2017Applied to 01 University of Waterloo - Mathematics (Co-op) - Major Area of Interest: Combinatorics and Optimization [Alternate Offer of Admission - Honours Mathematics, Regular, Combinatorics and Optimization] [2013-05-07] [OFFER ACCEPTED]02 University of Toronto - St. George - Faculty of Arts and Science - Studies in Computer Science [Conditional Offer of Admission - 2013-02-13] [OFFER DECLINED]03 McMaster University - Mathematics and Statistics I - Major Area of Interest: Mathematics/Computer Science [Conditional Offer of Admission - 2013-04-24] [OFFER CANNOT BE DECLINED]Current top 6 average: 85 (I attend a non-semestered school) Razear is found dead at around 9 PM on May 19, 2013, his body is buried in
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Unless I'm totally misinterpreting the semester system over there, how would you take it (CO255) in 2B? According to the catalog it's only offered in Fall...
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The IQ level on this thread is OVER 9000!!! It's good to see people asking questions about courses. When I was doing undergrad I just enrolled in wtv course had space left.
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broodp4 wrote:The IQ level on this thread is OVER 9000!!! It's good to see people asking questions about courses. When I was doing undergrad I just enrolled in wtv course had space left. Not something to be proud of. Greygoose, who could I contact to ask for permission to enroll in MATH 249 except the CS advisors ? I have 1 more day...
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greygoose wrote:waterfall wrote:Greygoose, as a PMATH-CS joint major, do you think taking reduced number of PMATH courses would decrease the chance of getting into prestigeous postgraduate schools? Or taking the courses of research interest would just be fine? (For instance, one does not need to know substantially about logic if his/her research interests are analysis, but the 300-level core PMATH courses would be enough?)
Now a more trivial question, which LaTeX do you prefer to use? I personally like Texmaker.
What do you mean, a reduced number of PMATH courses? There is a specific number you need to graduate, and that is a very large number. Taking more than that I think is overkill. Better to spread out and take some nice, hard CO courses. Remember, Waterloo's CO department is much more world-renowned than its PMATH department (though its PMATH dept is pretty good). Taking those courses will give you a big advantage, particularly the 4th year level "requires 80% average" ones. I type out my LaTeX code in vim, and use pdflatex to generate my tex documents. I've gotten a little bit nerdy with it, and I'm pretty swift at things now. I have my own package of macros I've defined for myself, which includes a custom math environment, etc. Oh, I mean, joint PMATH majors need to take 7 or 8 PMATH courses while PMATH majors are required to take at least 9 PMATH courses, four of which must be at 400 level. Hmm it seems like those CO courses are pretty damn good. Gotta try'em. The MATHSOC looks like a very cool organisation. How do join? :)
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