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Hi dr. Jay, i read almost all of your posts. I'm a grade 12 high school student. I have a very high passion and interest in biology and more specifically working with human body. I mean like biology/ chrmistry is something that i love a lot, i cant explain it in words. I got admissions from a few universities. And i finally decided to choose york kinesiology which i found out is easier to get a higher GPA, even though getting a higher GPA depends on how hard you work and how much passion you have towards what ur doing. What courses do you recommend me to take for the first year? Other than chem/ bio/ physics. I dont want the first year to be so much stressful. What other more like fun courses should i take, i know medicine is a serious career but i want to have something fun to do beside all those courses, where do you recommend me to do volunteering? I also have a lot of aknowledge about evolution. I have begun doing extensive research regarding evolution as i believe there is someone controlling all the changes that occur in nature. May that be useful gor university? I am also writing a book related to my research ( with the help of one my friends), would that be fosidered as a research, i know it sounds kind of funny for a grade 12 to be doung such stuff.
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ManUtd123 wrote:Hey, I'm really grateful for you posting here and answering our questions!
I'm in a serious dilemna right now. I need to choose which University to go to, within a couple of days. I narrowed down my two options to York Biomed and UofT Life Sci, due to location. I want to ask you should I avoid UofT Life Science due to the reputation of being a very difficult program? I hear stories of individuals not making it into med school because of UofT crushing their GPA. Should I go to an easier program such as York Biomed? Also, I know in Canada reputation does not matter, but if I were to apply to US med schools would reputation of University matter?
Also, this might seem to be too general of question because all med schools have different criteria for acceptances, but what is a good GPA to aim for in undergrad, to become a competitive applicant. I think an important question is to ask yourself what are your plans if you don't get into medical school. Medical schools in Canada won't care where you did your degree (unfortunately, I don't know what U.S. med schools think) - but what about your back up options? Would they care? That's something you need to figure out. If it doesn't matter, then go to York. If it does matter, then maybe UofT is better. It's hard to say. I think in most circumstances it won't matter. In terms of your career, who you are will matter way more than where you got your degree (in terms of a science degree - this is a bit different if we're talking about say business schools, etc.). I would say a bare minimum GPA is 3.70. However, some schools require a 3.80 or a 3.90 to be competitive - it depends on the medical school. You should really be aiming for the best GPA possible. I've written a lot more about these topics on my blog (see signature below), there are a lot of good articles there that I think would be able to answer your questions a bit more in detail. TD Canada Trust Scholar 2006 University of Toronto M.D. Candidate, Class of 2013 MedHopeful.com - my blog with advice and entertainment on undergrad, scholarships and medical school. Get Started - an introductory guide for premeds to learn about applying to medical school. Mac Health Sci Application Guide - my advice for the McMaster Health Sciences supplementary application. EssaySensei.ca - where I provide 1-on-1 essay help for applications to medical school, scholarships, awards and programs.
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omidr2008 wrote:Hi dr. Jay, i read almost all of your posts. I'm a grade 12 high school student. I have a very high passion and interest in biology and more specifically working with human body. I mean like biology/ chrmistry is something that i love a lot, i cant explain it in words. I got admissions from a few universities. And i finally decided to choose york kinesiology which i found out is easier to get a higher GPA, even though getting a higher GPA depends on how hard you work and how much passion you have towards what ur doing. What courses do you recommend me to take for the first year? Other than chem/ bio/ physics. I dont want the first year to be so much stressful. What other more like fun courses should i take, i know medicine is a serious career but i want to have something fun to do beside all those courses, where do you recommend me to do volunteering? I also have a lot of aknowledge about evolution. I have begun doing extensive research regarding evolution as i believe there is someone controlling all the changes that occur in nature. May that be useful gor university? I am also writing a book related to my research ( with the help of one my friends), would that be fosidered as a research, i know it sounds kind of funny for a grade 12 to be doung such stuff. I think it's great you are taking a lot of initiative in your own learning and writing a book - that's really cool. Honestly, it's hard for me to tell you what courses to take beyond the ones you already mentioned. What will you find fun? It's hard for me to guess - what I think is fun may not be the same as you. Do you like writing? Music? Psychology? Economics? There are so many interesting courses in university, you really just need to reflect on what you personally find interesting. I assure you there is some course that fits your personality. As for volunteering, I would try to get some leadership opportunities in things that interest you. And also something at a hospital or health care institution to give you a better understanding of health care. I've written articles about this too on my blog, I can't link them, but I would check those out. I just don't want to copy and paste long articles from there onto here, but we've written a lot about your questions on the blog. TD Canada Trust Scholar 2006 University of Toronto M.D. Candidate, Class of 2013 MedHopeful.com - my blog with advice and entertainment on undergrad, scholarships and medical school. Get Started - an introductory guide for premeds to learn about applying to medical school. Mac Health Sci Application Guide - my advice for the McMaster Health Sciences supplementary application. EssaySensei.ca - where I provide 1-on-1 essay help for applications to medical school, scholarships, awards and programs.
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DrJay wrote:despairless wrote:Hi Dr. Jay, There's a chance I could go to med school so I was wondering what courses I should take first year to prepare for the MCAT/med school. I am going into Kinesiology at McMaster next year so I have 6 mandatory courses and 4 electives(technically 3 because I'm required to take a math). I am definitely taking chemistry with one of my electives but as for the other 2, I'm not sure. Should I take biology or is my courses for Kin 1st/2nd year already covering the biology part of MCAT/med school? I know physics is also going to be on the MCAT but I haven't even taken grade 12 physics so I don't know if first year is going to work out for me. What do you think? Thank you very much! :)
I would take 1st year bio, chem, physics and 2nd year organic chem before doing the MCAT. Those are the most helpful for sure. I don't know if those are all part of McMaster's kin program, you'd have to check the course requirements and perhaps an academic advisor there. Usually 1st year physics (as long as you're not taking physics for physics majors) is reasonable, as long as you've had a bit of basics in physics (e.g. gr. 11 physics). But it also depends on how comfortable you are with it. But I do think physics on the MCAT will be a LOT easier if you take 1st year physics regardless - the only concern students might have is if they'd get a bad mark. That's something you need to decide for yourself. Good luck! Thank you! Just another question, I know the MCAT consists of reading/writing so is it necessary to take english in university or is high school english alright? And also, Mac's Kin program doesn't have chem or physics as mandatory courses but they do have courses related to Bio. First year there's a course called "Human Anatomy and Physiology" and second year there's one course on the nervous system, one on the muscle-skeletal system and one on cardiovascular/respiratory system. Will that cover the biology part of the MCAT or should I still take biology? Thanks again :D :D :D McMaster Kinesiology Class of 2016
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despairless wrote: Thank you! Just another question, I know the MCAT consists of reading/writing so is it necessary to take english in university or is high school english alright?
And also, Mac's Kin program doesn't have chem or physics as mandatory courses but they do have courses related to Bio. First year there's a course called "Human Anatomy and Physiology" and second year there's one course on the nervous system, one on the muscle-skeletal system and one on cardiovascular/respiratory system. Will that cover the biology part of the MCAT or should I still take biology?
Thanks again :D :D :D
No problem :) The MCAT consists of reading. However, it will no longer have a writing portion starting this year ("The largest changes will consist of testing in biochemistry, multicultural/behavioral concepts, and critical analysis/reasoning from the humanities.") Taking English in university is by no means necessary. Would taking some arts courses help you with verbal reasoning section on the MCAT? Sure I guess. But most students in science don't take any English and do OK. It really depends on how comfortable you are with reading comprehension. As for your question about the Kin courses, that will help with the physiology questions on the MCAT, but the MCAT still covers core biology concepts (e.g. biochemistry) that you would learn in a regular biology course. You don't "have" to take biology, but certainly taking it will make the MCAT a bit easier for you. You can always just study the biology on your own. TD Canada Trust Scholar 2006 University of Toronto M.D. Candidate, Class of 2013 MedHopeful.com - my blog with advice and entertainment on undergrad, scholarships and medical school. Get Started - an introductory guide for premeds to learn about applying to medical school. Mac Health Sci Application Guide - my advice for the McMaster Health Sciences supplementary application. EssaySensei.ca - where I provide 1-on-1 essay help for applications to medical school, scholarships, awards and programs.
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omidr2008 wrote: I also have a lot of aknowledge about evolution. I have begun doing extensive research regarding evolution as i believe there is someone controlling all the changes that occur in nature. May that be useful gor university? I am also writing a book related to my research ( with the help of one my friends), would that be fosidered as a research, i know it sounds kind of funny for a grade 12 to be doung such stuff. What you're doing doesn't sound like typical scientific research. It sounds more like theological research, if you are writing it from the view point that someone (I would assume some sort of other being) controls evolution. Scientific research involves experiments, hypotheses, etc.
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Hi Dr. Jay
I had another question on behalf of my friend as he wasnt fimiliar with the website but he wanted to know your opinion. He has been admitted to U of T= Life sciences, Western: kinesiology/Health sciences, York: kinesiology/Biomedical Sciences, And McMaster Lifescinces. Which university do you think could be the best option for him? He wants to get a high GPA and get well-prepared for the MCAT.
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ktel wrote:omidr2008 wrote: I also have a lot of aknowledge about evolution. I have begun doing extensive research regarding evolution as i believe there is someone controlling all the changes that occur in nature. May that be useful gor university? I am also writing a book related to my research ( with the help of one my friends), would that be fosidered as a research, i know it sounds kind of funny for a grade 12 to be doung such stuff. What you're doing doesn't sound like typical scientific research. It sounds more like theological research, if you are writing it from the view point that someone (I would assume some sort of other being) controls evolution. Scientific research involves experiments, hypotheses, etc. You are right, But We've been researching and doing experiments on this topic for almost three years and we will be doing about 4-10 years more of researching and experiments. Currently, we are and We have been taking down notes and some of the experiments take a lot of time to show a few noticeable changes.
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omidr2008 wrote:Hi Dr. Jay
I had another question on behalf of my friend as he wasnt fimiliar with the website but he wanted to know your opinion. He has been admitted to U of T= Life sciences, Western: kinesiology/Health sciences, York: kinesiology/Biomedical Sciences, And McMaster Lifescinces. Which university do you think could be the best option for him? He wants to get a high GPA and get well-prepared for the MCAT. It's not really a question I can accurately answer. They will all provide the courses that will help for the MCAT. Anecdotally UofT sounds like it would be harder, but I have no evidence to back that up. If anecdotes are enough to sway him, then I guess he could avoid UofT. I would guess the other 3 are pretty similar though I don't really know. Among the other 3, I'd pick the ones where he thinks he'll enjoy the location and campus life the most. TD Canada Trust Scholar 2006 University of Toronto M.D. Candidate, Class of 2013 MedHopeful.com - my blog with advice and entertainment on undergrad, scholarships and medical school. Get Started - an introductory guide for premeds to learn about applying to medical school. Mac Health Sci Application Guide - my advice for the McMaster Health Sciences supplementary application. EssaySensei.ca - where I provide 1-on-1 essay help for applications to medical school, scholarships, awards and programs.
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omidr2008 wrote:ktel wrote:omidr2008 wrote: I also have a lot of aknowledge about evolution. I have begun doing extensive research regarding evolution as i believe there is someone controlling all the changes that occur in nature. May that be useful gor university? I am also writing a book related to my research ( with the help of one my friends), would that be fosidered as a research, i know it sounds kind of funny for a grade 12 to be doung such stuff. What you're doing doesn't sound like typical scientific research. It sounds more like theological research, if you are writing it from the view point that someone (I would assume some sort of other being) controls evolution. Scientific research involves experiments, hypotheses, etc. You are right, But We've been researching and doing experiments on this topic for almost three years and we will be doing about 4-10 years more of researching and experiments. Currently, we are and We have been taking down notes and some of the experiments take a lot of time to show a few noticeable changes. OK, make sure you try to get it peer reviewed or published somewhere. This would assure that your research would be viewed as legitimate.
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Hey DrJay quick question..so after a lot of thinkingg ive decided to do business instead of science but i was just wondering if maybe 3 or 4 years down the road i wanna apply to med school...what exactly are my chances of doing well on the mcat if i also take the prep course? since i really wudnt have any uni knowledge on science courses (other than what i learned in high school) how many ppl do u know actually get into med school with degrees not related to science at all? thanks!
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DoctorGaga wrote:Hey DrJay quick question..so after a lot of thinkingg ive decided to do business instead of science but i was just wondering if maybe 3 or 4 years down the road i wanna apply to med school...what exactly are my chances of doing well on the mcat if i also take the prep course? since i really wudnt have any uni knowledge on science courses (other than what i learned in high school) how many ppl do u know actually get into med school with degrees not related to science at all? thanks! It's certainly possible. There are always some people in a med school class with backgrounds in business, law, arts, economics, etc. You're right - the key issue is whether you'd be able to do OK on the MCAT. It comes down to your personal ability to handle the sciences. I can't figure that out for you. How did you find science in high school? My suggestion would be to try and take a few science courses as electives in your business degree if you can. Alternatively, pick up a few MCAT books and see how you find the science material. Good luck TD Canada Trust Scholar 2006 University of Toronto M.D. Candidate, Class of 2013 MedHopeful.com - my blog with advice and entertainment on undergrad, scholarships and medical school. Get Started - an introductory guide for premeds to learn about applying to medical school. Mac Health Sci Application Guide - my advice for the McMaster Health Sciences supplementary application. EssaySensei.ca - where I provide 1-on-1 essay help for applications to medical school, scholarships, awards and programs.
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So its all about GPA right? A 3.8 in york humanties will get me into med school over a 3.7 in uoft Eng Sci? Serious BusinessYork- African Studies --> RejectedNippissing- Commerece --> RejectedLaurentian- Communication --> RejectedAlgoma- Anishinaabemowin --> WaitingUofT- Engineering Science --> Waiting (Pleasee)
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leafs2013 wrote:So its all about GPA right?
A 3.8 in york humanties will get me into med school over a 3.7 in uoft Eng Sci? Generally speaking, GPA matters more than undergrad/school when it comes to med school admissions, yes. However, if med school doesn't work out, job opportunity wise that Eng Sci degree would be better, so you have to weigh the pros/cons. TD Canada Trust Scholar 2006 University of Toronto M.D. Candidate, Class of 2013 MedHopeful.com - my blog with advice and entertainment on undergrad, scholarships and medical school. Get Started - an introductory guide for premeds to learn about applying to medical school. Mac Health Sci Application Guide - my advice for the McMaster Health Sciences supplementary application. EssaySensei.ca - where I provide 1-on-1 essay help for applications to medical school, scholarships, awards and programs.
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Hey Dr Jay I know I've read on many forums that universities only care about GPA and not your schools rep or the difficulty of the degree, but it just doesn't make logical sense that someone with a 3.9 in, say a music degree who took bird course electives at a small name university could get in to med school over an engineering student from a big name school with a 3.7 GPA. Is there any universities that take difficulty of the undergrad into consideration, or that weigh your acceptance heavily on the MCAT? I'm just wondering because I've decided to do chem engineering and I'm slowly seeing my hopes of med school drift away because of how difficult it is to even have a GPA above 3.0. McGill University - Chemical Engineering '16
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Hey Dr. Jay, I was wondering after what undergrad year you took the MCAT, the first or the second? University of Ottawa--Biochemistry
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stordz wrote:Hey Dr Jay
I know I've read on many forums that universities only care about GPA and not your schools rep or the difficulty of the degree, but it just doesn't make logical sense that someone with a 3.9 in, say a music degree who took bird course electives at a small name university could get in to med school over an engineering student from a big name school with a 3.7 GPA.
Is there any universities that take difficulty of the undergrad into consideration, or that weigh your acceptance heavily on the MCAT?
I'm just wondering because I've decided to do chem engineering and I'm slowly seeing my hopes of med school drift away because of how difficult it is to even have a GPA above 3.0. How could you objectively decide that a music degree at X university is easier than an engineering degree at Y university? In fact, chances are if the students switched places, they would both do quite poorly. Therein lies the problem: it is difficult to objectively decide whether one program is "harder" than another. As such, it is easier for medical schools to just say the absolute value of the GPA matters most. UofT prides itself on having a hollistic approach to the application, so perhaps they will look more into which courses you took, but there is no publicly available information how they take courses/program into account. TD Canada Trust Scholar 2006 University of Toronto M.D. Candidate, Class of 2013 MedHopeful.com - my blog with advice and entertainment on undergrad, scholarships and medical school. Get Started - an introductory guide for premeds to learn about applying to medical school. Mac Health Sci Application Guide - my advice for the McMaster Health Sciences supplementary application. EssaySensei.ca - where I provide 1-on-1 essay help for applications to medical school, scholarships, awards and programs.
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Mas40 wrote:Hey Dr. Jay,
I was wondering after what undergrad year you took the MCAT, the first or the second? I took it after 2nd. TD Canada Trust Scholar 2006 University of Toronto M.D. Candidate, Class of 2013 MedHopeful.com - my blog with advice and entertainment on undergrad, scholarships and medical school. Get Started - an introductory guide for premeds to learn about applying to medical school. Mac Health Sci Application Guide - my advice for the McMaster Health Sciences supplementary application. EssaySensei.ca - where I provide 1-on-1 essay help for applications to medical school, scholarships, awards and programs.
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Hey Dr Jay, Are you a founder of any groups or clubs? I know that I am going to need to have lots of ec's but I'm worried because forming a group or club is something that I feel that I just can't do. Also, do you know if physics is a prerequisite for any med school in Ontario? Thanks! McMaster Health Science 2016
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HI, I was wondering if medical schools use your GPA for all 4 years or use the GPA for your best 2 years or 3 years. Western BSC + Ivey
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