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kelso547
#1 Posted : Monday, June 18, 2012 6:24:03 PM
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I'm not sure if anyone has started this thread but I'm going to start this up anyways(:
-What was your favourite thing to learn about in Philosophy?
-Did you enjoy this class?
-What was/is your grade in philosophy?
-Do you reccommend this class to others?
-What would you say is the difficulty of this course

and of course also use this to discuss the course material and anything else you find discussion worthy!
jelly
#2 Posted : Monday, June 18, 2012 10:19:52 PM
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- None
- No
- 84
- Depends on the teacher
- Easy

I had a pretty crapty teacher, and while the course material was easy and incredibly straight forward, it was really hard to actually learn. That being said, there is another teacher at my school who is absolutely amazing. His class averages are absurdly high, but based on the evaluations, they aren't exactly easy. I've had him in grade 9, and he really keeps people interested in course material. Too bad I didn't get him for philosophy. Oh well.
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kelso547
#3 Posted : Tuesday, June 19, 2012 6:43:29 PM
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Posts: 78
jelly wrote:
- None
- No
- 84
- Depends on the teacher
- Easy

I had a pretty crappy teacher, and while the course material was easy and incredibly straight forward, it was really hard to actually learn. That being said, there is another teacher at my school who is absolutely amazing. His class averages are absurdly high, but based on the evaluations, they aren't exactly easy. I've had him in grade 9, and he really keeps people interested in course material. Too bad I didn't get him for philosophy. Oh well.

Oh, I see. Interesting, I guess it really depends on what teacher is teaching the course whether or not it was a fun course. The other teacher must have done a sufficient job in teaching the material then I suppose
Stephicool
#4 Posted : Tuesday, June 19, 2012 9:25:23 PM
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I really wanted to take this course in grade 12 but it wouldn't count towards a religion credit so I have to do regular grade 12 religion.

And yeah I agree, philosophy would be like English, depends on your teacher
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kelso547
#5 Posted : Tuesday, June 19, 2012 9:33:07 PM
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Stephicool wrote:
I really wanted to take this course in grade 12 but it wouldn't count towards a religion credit so I have to do regular grade 12 religion.

And yeah I agree, philosophy would be like English, depends on your teacher

Ah, I see. I heard that it's an interesting course. What;s religion like?
jellybeanrow
#6 Posted : Wednesday, June 20, 2012 5:51:07 AM
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Joined: 7/18/2011
Posts: 37
kelso547 wrote:
I'm not sure if anyone has started this thread but I'm going to start this up anyways(:
-What was your favourite thing to learn about in Philosophy?
-Did you enjoy this class?
-What was/is your grade in philosophy?
-Do you reccommend this class to others?
-What would you say is the difficulty of this course

and of course also use this to discuss the course material and anything else you find discussion worthy!


I haven't actually taken this course, but I'm taking it next year and have a lot of friends who have taken it in past years, and the teacher at my school is absolutely phenomenal for this course! Year after year everyone calls it their favourite class and recommend it to everybody, even though the teacher marks a decent amount harder than other teachers at my school. The course load is also really light, there's never any homework and usually only about 3 essays per semester.

As for religion, at least for my school it's just as hard if not harder than philosophy, because there's a lot more useless homework and nobody ever enjoys it (mostly because the head of the religion department at my school is a complete nut job)

It probably depends a lot on the teachers, I would suggest getting to know the teachers at your school who teach both courses, and deciding which teaching style you prefer as well as comparing the course content. I couldn't tell you about philosophy at other schools, but our teacher includes 3rd and 4th year university topics in logic and it's a really stimulating and thought-provoking course, whereas religion is mostly a regurgitate the Bible and tell the teacher what they want to hear sort of course.

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RheyDCD11
#7 Posted : Wednesday, June 27, 2012 2:59:58 AM
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-w.e. debate we had to argue about
-yes
-92
-if they like lots of reading,writing and discussion
-usually easy

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Is there such thing as truth? No
Do we, humanity, have a soul? No
Do you approve of capital punishment? No
Should government make official laws to make exceptions for religious people (i.e. clothing, security, etc)? No

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Angrleway
#8 Posted : Wednesday, July 04, 2012 12:15:57 PM
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OK, I'll start off by answering your basic questions.

-I think my favourite thing was either the independent research, or learning about Plato's World of Forms, the one supposedly in the mind of the creator. I did some further research and found that even the teacher agreed that the World of Forms Lives Within You, and is meant to be played with. For a sociopolitical unit I even hinted at "Government via World of Forms". bom
-Absolutely! The best part was the discussion, even though I felt like we should have had WAY more discussion than we actually did. Also, a student teacher offered to stay in touch.
-95% (won the Philosophy Award for having the second-highest grade)
-I would definitely recommend this course, especially to people who already enjoy philosophical discussion and don't mind crossing the boundaries--because that's what will bring this class to life.
-The hardest part was meeting the deadlines, but generally the content itself was easy--I lost my notebook in the last week, but still managed to score 98% on the exam, though you should still make sure to study.

Like I hinted, for one of the projects I actually missed the deadline. When we were writing an ethics essay, I chose "environmental ethics", and ended up handing it in two weeks late--with 70 pages of research notes, half of which I handed in via email! Surprisingly, I still managed to get 100% on the essay, because the teacher had never seen anyone cover such a broad topic (the Athabasca oilsands and climate change, addressing Cartesianism and the human focus on dominance over nature--no, this wasn tthe actual title) in around 3,000 words (the original limit was 2,000)! Previous writers have addressed smaller topics, such as transportation. While many in philosophy have trouble with interconnected topics, I tend to excel in that very area.


First, ask yourself whether you have any appreciable gift for philosophy. If this course were merely about philosophers, as much of it was, I would have NEVER taken it because I did not enjoy learning about philosophers, but enjoyed learning about their ideas and the ideas of the class! Before I started taking the class, I started keeping an "aphorical thought collection" that more than a year later has stacked up some 60 pages (hopefully my computer doesn't freeze again brilsmurf ). My teacher said it was brilliant.

Our school does not have a true debate team outside of law. However, we had debates in class but never had a real "winner", even though the people who had seminars had opinions that may or may not change or represent their true opinion. Here's my take on the first two questions:

Is there such thing as truth? Yes, but we are too blind to see it.
Do we, humanity, have a soul? A resounding yes, but we ignore it all the time.

The "God" debates were the most interesting, and I was one of the very few who took the "there absolutely is a God" side. The teacher even pointed out that God does NOT equal religion, which reflects a common misconception in modern soceity. We also had some religion vs. science debates.

The biggest disappointment of the class was that we never touched on the Philosophy of Science, which I beleive is one of the most important subjects of today. We did, however, discuss the problem of free will, whether animals such as dolphins are "persons", bio/enviromental ethics, and the realms of materialism, reductionism and determinism. It was all very interesting, but we never once mentioned QUALIA.

Seriously. I've been an ardent philosopher all my life, and without that I probably would never have taken this class--in fact, I was still reluctant to take this class even with that. The teacher said that people have gotten 100% in that class, and although I was not one of those people, it was still a very enjoyable and enlightening class for me.

I love seeing the bigger picture, and you too will enjoy this class if you are open to all sorts of opinions and don't mind questioning things that have previously gone unquestioned.

Enjoy 2012.
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